XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy
XPost: alt.religion.christian
From: none@none.non
On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 07:41:08 -0700, "Andrew"
> wrote:
>
> > "Vincent Maycock" wrote in message
> > news:51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com...
> > > "Andrew" wrote:
> > > > "JTEM" wrote:
> > > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for
Him to
> > > > > > be crucified.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't believe it.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated
> > > > > Jews as the bad guys.
> > > >
> > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
> > >
> > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church,
> >
> > The early Christian church were Jews...converted by the
> > powerful truth that Jesus was the Messiah in fulfillment
> > of all the messianic prophecies that were given to them.
>
> Ethnically, they were Jews, but theologically, Christians are *not*
> Jewish.
Wrong, for a variety of reasons. Biggest of which is your understanding and
lack of knowledge. There is clear evidence in the NT that many Jews
considered the believers a sect of Judaism. In large part because the OT
scriptures speaks of Jesus the Messiah as being a Jew. And that He and His
work of God is clearly spoken of, which they recognized once shown the
scriptures after his resurrection. For a while there was an offshoot of
Judaism that followed his teachings yet held to the Old Covenant laws and
required that Christians, whether they be Jew of Gentile to do the same,
although their main focus was on the Jew, and the gentiles they thought of as
dogs. Peter catered to this people whenever he was around them, yet lived
like a gentile believer when he was clear of them, to which Paul called him
out for it, and also God showed Peter visions that he was totally off base in
doing so.
>
>
> > > so they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible
> > > when they made up their stories about Jesus.
> >
> > Jesus was Jewish and was the anti-type of the prophetic
> > symbols that were given to them..The apostle Paul based
> > much of his evangelical efforts on the Jewish scriptures.
>
> There was no Old Testament basis for believing that Jesus was the
> Messiah. For example, the "Suffering Servant" of the book of Isaiah
> refers to the Jewish nation, not Jesus of Nazareth.
There is plenty of evidence for it, and Jesus showed his disciples where he
was to be found in the OT after his resurrection. The “suffering servant”
is not mentioned in the book of Isaiah under such a title, or anywhere else,
it is a concept only. And yet in the Book of Isaiah there are several
references to him there as in the Book of Psalms and elsewhere. Isaiah
chapter 53 clearly speaks of Jesus and even today many young and a few older
Jews who were taught to hate Jesus when shown that chapter, repent and choose
to follow Jesus as they could see Jesus, crucified, for them.
If you want to discuss/argue the situation you really should read with the
intention of understanding, the Bible so as to familiarize yourself with it
and not speak from the standpoint of hearsay. In a court or understanding,
hearsay is not permissible.
>
>
> > > > > Look at the "Jewish" rebellions -- plural -- if you want to know
> > > > > why the Romans would want to do that.
> > > >
> > > > That's for sure. The Romans slaughtered them big time in 70 AD.
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%2870_CE%29
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