XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:   
   > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > (Message-ID:):   
   >   
   >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   >>> (Message-ID:):   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   >>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   >>>>>>   wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for Him   
   >>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>> be crucified.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I don't believe it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated   
   >>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church, so   
   >>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they made   
   >>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> In whose mind? Yours?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the beginning.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional rift   
   >>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the   
   >>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.   
   >>>   
   >>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false   
   >>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate on who   
   God   
   >>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full wisdom and   
   >>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for that   
   reason   
   >>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common bond.   
   >>   
   >> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to   
   >> being an attempt at history.   
   >   
   > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus to   
   > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such attempts   
   > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or been   
   > discredited soon afterwards.   
   >   
      
   The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added by   
   some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just   
   storytelling.  Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever mentioned   
   anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular   
   sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them leave   
   any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey   
   those experiences to anyone else.   
      
   As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human beings   
   lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single   
   source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of   
   independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.   
      
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