XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   (Message-ID: <10b4fhn$k74m$1@dont-email.me>):   
      
   > On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:   
   > > On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > >   
   > > > On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None    
   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None    
   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk48   
   q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31   
   1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned   
   Pilate, specifically   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Him   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be crucified.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the   
   story, cast the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hated   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what   
   happened..   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early   
   Christian church,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > so   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as   
   possible when they   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > made   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an   
   emotional   
   > > > > > > > > > > > rift   
   > > > > > > > > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus   
   as the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians'   
   good   
   > > > > > > > > > > > graces.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is   
   a false   
   > > > > > > > > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of men who   
   speculate on   
   > > > > > > > > > > who   
   > > > > > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > > > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having   
   full   
   > > > > > > > > > > wisdom   
   > > > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse,   
   and for   
   > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > reason   
   > > > > > > > > > > many denominations err and there is separation and not a   
   common   
   > > > > > > > > > > bond.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in   
   addition to   
   > > > > > > > > > being an attempt at history.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of   
   it. Plus   
   > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish,   
   for such   
   > > > > > > > > attempts   
   > > > > > > > > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven,   
   and or   
   > > > > > > > > been   
   > > > > > > > > discredited soon afterwards.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment   
   added by   
   > > > > > > > some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just   
   > > > > > > > storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever   
   mentioned   
   > > > > > > > anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in   
   secular   
   > > > > > > > sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them   
   leave   
   > > > > > > > any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or   
   convey   
   > > > > > > > those experiences to anyone else.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human   
   beings   
   > > > > > > > lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one   
   single   
   > > > > > > > source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of   
   > > > > > > > independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John,   
   Matthew   
   > > > > > > Luke,   
   > > > > > > Mark.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for   
   the   
   > > > > > > first   
   > > > > > > time on the road to Damascus   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also   
   > > > > > > received,   
   > > > > > > how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third   
   day   
   > > > > > > according to the scriptures:   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at   
   once;   
   > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen   
   > > > > > > asleep.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the   
   apostles.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born   
   out of   
   > > > > > > due   
   > > > > > > time.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three   
   years.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was   
   preached   
   > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > me is not after man.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit,   
   but   
   > > > > > > by   
   > > > > > > the   
      
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