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   OR we use some them new fangled 21st century puters to make businesses   
   operated in a transparent fashion so *anyone* and *everyone* can audit   
   them in real time ...   
      
   fraud will be *much* easier to spot and u don't need to rely on some   
   govt body operating after the fact, which can both be captured by   
   industry, and even become a retarded political battleground...   
      
   free speech was really just a baby step towards *free all the information*   
      
   On 1/13/26 11:41 AM, JTEM wrote:   
   >   
   > When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed   
   > this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that   
   > money.   
   >   
   > As an example, and this is what you're seeing with the "Solar"   
   > industry, a billion years ago federal funds became available to   
   > combat drugs. So a bunch of people formed a non-profit and   
   > started cashing those checks for a drug rehabilitation program.   
   > Well, eventually that drug money dried up but there were funds   
   > available for education, so that drug program became a high   
   > school. And I know because I went to that high school. And, yes,   
   > it was a high school. And, yes, it wasn't originally a school   
   > it was a drug program.   
   >   
   > Same board. Different federal program sending the checks.   
   >   
   > AND NOBODY in the government will police this. Which is why you   
   > keep hearing about THIS congressman's family or THAT Senator's   
   > family running some NGO, cashing big checks. It's because he   
   > knows about funding sources better than the people who voted for   
   > that money in the first place?  So they know it's there, they   
   > know how to get it, how to qualify, which forms to fill out...   
   > which back to scratch... so they start these organizations.   
   >   
   > If elected officials are doing it now, and private individuals   
   > have been doing it for generations, HOW is anyone capable of   
   > believing that when the federal government made funds available   
   > for solar a ton of sly-by-night organizations wouldn't be   
   > created specifically to get those federal funds?   
   >   
   > It's. How. Things. Work.   
   >   
   > The solution is to have an investigative body look not just at   
   > the organizations but the people.   
   >   
   > Is anyone involved related to an insider in any way?   
   >   
   > Does anyone involved have a history with such organizations?   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   AlleyCat wrote:   
   >   
   > There definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam   
   >>   
   >> Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these   
   >> companies to go   
   >> bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers   
   >> and   
   >> sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.   
   >>   
   >> ============================================================================   
   >>   
   >> 1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*   
   >> 2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*   
   >> 3. Solyndra ($535 million)*   
   >> 4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*   
   >> 5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)   
   >> 6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)   
   >> 7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)   
   >> 8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)   
   >> 9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*   
   >> 10. Amonix ($5.9 million)   
   >> 11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)   
   >> 12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*   
   >> 13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*   
   >> 14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*   
   >> 15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)   
   >> 16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)   
   >> 17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)   
   >> 18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*   
   >> 19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*   
   >> 20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*   
   >> 21. Olsen's Crop Service and Mills Acquisition Company ($10m)*   
   >> 22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*   
   >> 23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*   
   >> 24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*   
   >> 25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*   
   >> 26. GreenVolts ($500,000)   
   >> 27. Vestas ($50 million)   
   >> 28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)   
   >> 29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*   
   >> 30. Navistar ($39 million)   
   >> 31. Satcon ($3 million)*   
   >> 32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*   
   >> 33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)   
   >>   
   >> =====   
   >>   
   >> Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024   
   >>   
   >> Major Solar Bankruptcies as of November 2024 Include:   
   >>   
   >> 34. SunPower - Multiple States*   
   >> 35. Pink Energy - Multiple States*   
   >> 36. MC Solar - Modern Concepts - Florida*   
   >> 37. Harness Power - California*   
   >> 38. NM Solar Group - New Mexico*   
   >> 39. ASA - American Solar Advantage - California*   
   >> 40. Kuubix Energy - California*   
   >> 41. Erus Energy - Arizona*   
   >> 42. Infinity Energy - California*   
   >> 43. Suntuity Renewables - Per Sunova - NJ, CA , TX*   
   >> 44. ADT Solar - Multiple States*   
   >> 45. Vision Solar - Multiple States*   
   >> 46. Solcius - CA, NM, AZ, NV*   
   >> 47. Sunworks, Inc. - CA*   
   >> 48. Kayo Energy - AZ, CA, TX, FL*   
   >> 49. iSun - CT*   
   >> 50. Titan Solar Power - Multiple States*   
   >> 51. Lumio Solar - Utah*   
   >>   
   >> =====   
   >>   
   >> California Company Closures:   
   >>   
   >> 52. ASA - American Solar Advantage - CA*   
   >> 53. Bratton Solar- CA*   
   >> 54. Canapoy Energy - CA*   
   >> 55. Charged Up Energy - CA*   
   >> 56. Enver Solar - CA*   
   >> 57. Harness Power - CA*   
   >> 58. GCI Solar - CA*   
   >> 59. Green Nrg - CA*   
   >> 60. Kuubix Energy - CA*   
   >> 61. Peak Power USA - CA*   
   >> 62. Penguin Home- CA*   
   >> 63. Polar Solar - CA*   
   >> 64. Professional Roofing and Solar - CA*   
   >> 65. Sigora Home Solar - CA*   
   >> 66. Solsun USA - CA*   
   >> 67. Solar Advantage - CA*   
   >> 68. Sullivan Solar Power - CA*   
   >> 69. Sungrade Solar - CA*   
   >> 70. SunPower - CA*   
   >> 71. Sunstor Solar - CA*   
   >> 72. RGS Energy - CA*   
   >> 73. Solar Spectrum - CA*   
   >> 74. Sunworks, Inc. - CA**   
   >> 75. Swell Energy - CA*   
   >> 76. United Solar Inc. - CA*   
   >>   
   >> =====   
   >>   
   >> Texas Company Closures:   
   >>   
   >> 77. American Sun*   
   >> 78. Daybreak Solar Power*   
   >> 79. Cosmo Solaris - DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation*   
   >> 80. Envirosolar*   
   >> 81. Hitech Solar*   
   >> 82. Integrity Solar*   
   >> 83. Next Energy*   
   >> 84. Speir Innovations*   
   >> 85. TES Home Solar*   
   >> 86. Texas Solar Broker LLC*   
   >> 87. Texas Solar Integrated LLC*   
   >> 88. Verisolar*   
   >> 89. Vulcan Solar*   
   >>   
   >> =====   
   >>   
   >> Other States:   
   >>   
   >> 90. 3D Solar - Florida*   
   >> 91. AAA Certified Solar - Nevada*   
   >> 92. Accept Solar - MA*   
   >> 93. ACE Solar Systems - AZ*   
   >> 94. Arizona Solar Concepts - AZ*   
   >> 95. Code Green Solar - NJ*   
   >> 96. EcoMark Solar - CO*   
   >> 97. Elan Solar - UT*   
   >> 98. Electriq Power - FL*   
   >> 99. Encor Solar - UT*   
   >> 100. Gulf South Solar - LA*   
   >> 101. Moxie Solar - IA*   
   >> 102. Refresh Energy Group - CO*   
   >> 103. Saveco Solar - UT*   
   >> 104. Solar Is Freedom - OH*   
   >> 105. Solar Titan USA - TN*   
   >> 106. SolarDot - FL*   
   >> 107. Solarworks - AZ*   
   >> 108. Solular, LLC - NJ*   
   >> 109. Utah Solar Group - UT*   
      
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