XPost: alt.global-warming, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   From: katt@gmail.com   
      
   On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 16:51:34 -0800,  dart200 says...   
      
   > > Are you a liberal, because your other posts didn't seem to reflect that?   
   >   
   > i don't ascribe to ur binary politics   
      
   Fair enough... you're a fence-sitter going along with the polemic or which way   
   the wind is blowing strongest.   
      
   Gotcha.   
      
   > >   
   > > No one "blamed" the government for companies not being able to "by and   
   large,   
   > > run long term profitable companies."   
   > >   
   > > I said the government shouldn't be in the business of giving money to   
   > > companies who "by and large, suck at running long term profitable   
   > > enterprises."   
   >   
   > it can be hard to tell that until you see what they do with the money.   
      
   We know what they're doing. Mostly wasting it and getting rich while the   
   taxpayers see NOTHING in return.   
      
   Cheaper energy?   
      
   Bullshit.   
      
   Saving the world?   
      
   FUCKING bullshit.   
      
   We've closed most coal plants, made millions of EVs, switched to LED light   
   bulbs (GREAT idea, BTW), Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Hydroelectric power, more   
   nuclear power, smart grids, utility-scale battery storage, sustainable   
   aviation fuel, high-speed rail, electric buses, hydrogen/ammonia shipping   
   fuel, green steel, low-carbon cement, methane leak detection, waste heat   
   recovery, heat pumps, carbon removal, direct air capture, carbon   
   sequestration, reforestation, blue carbon, regenerative agriculture, carbon   
   taxes, and trade programs.   
      
   How much has CO² and temps gone down?   
      
   > the govt acts as a venture capitalist except it doesn't expect a direct   
   > return on investment   
      
   Thank you for describing communism! The GOVERNMENT is not SUPPOSED to be in   
   that arena.   
      
   They're using OUR money to give to others.   
      
   > which allows it to take on way more risk than a   
   > normal investor would.   
      
   Again... not their job.   
      
   > > The "Green Energy" business is a scam.   
      
   > the underlying ideas aren't scams.   
      
   No one said they were. Reason's ain't got nothing to do with taking taxpayer   
   money and spending it on companies who're just going to embezzle it and go   
   bankrupt.   
      
   > the only suggesting i really have is that we can require govt funds to   
   > come along with a transparency requirement on how the business is being run.   
   > and with modern 21st century info tech this really should be real time   
   > transparency done with the same kinda of observability portals/reports   
   > that the execs have access to.   
      
   Tell us EXACTLY how this happens, even if transparency is involved?   
      
   Add these figures up and tell us why it was worth it, when CO2 was NOT abated   
   and temps kept rising.   
      
   1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*   
   2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*   
   3. Solyndra ($535 million)*   
   4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*   
   5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)   
   6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)   
   7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)   
   8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)   
   9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*   
   10. Amonix ($5.9 million)   
   11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)   
   12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*   
   13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*   
   14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*   
   15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)   
   16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)   
   17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)   
   18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*   
   19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*   
   20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*   
   21. Olsen's Crop Service and Mills Acquisition Company ($10m)*   
   22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*   
   23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*   
   24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*   
   25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*   
   26. GreenVolts ($500,000)   
   27. Vestas ($50 million)   
   28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)   
   29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*   
   30. Navistar ($39 million)   
   31. Satcon ($3 million)*   
   32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*   
   33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)   
      
   =====   
      
   Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024   
      
   Major Solar Bankruptcies as of November 2024 Include:   
      
   34. SunPower - Multiple States*   
   35. Pink Energy - Multiple States*   
   36. MC Solar - Modern Concepts - Florida*   
   37. Harness Power - California*   
   38. NM Solar Group - New Mexico*   
   39. ASA - American Solar Advantage - California*   
   40. Kuubix Energy - California*   
   41. Erus Energy - Arizona*   
   42. Infinity Energy - California*   
   43. Suntuity Renewables - Per Sunova - NJ, CA , TX*   
   44. ADT Solar - Multiple States*   
   45. Vision Solar - Multiple States*   
   46. Solcius - CA, NM, AZ, NV*   
   47. Sunworks, Inc. - CA*   
   48. Kayo Energy - AZ, CA, TX, FL*   
   49. iSun - CT*   
   50. Titan Solar Power - Multiple States*   
   51. Lumio Solar - Utah*   
      
   =====   
      
   California Company Closures:   
      
   52. ASA - American Solar Advantage - CA*   
   53. Bratton Solar- CA*   
   54. Canapoy Energy - CA*   
   55. Charged Up Energy - CA*   
   56. Enver Solar - CA*   
   57. Harness Power - CA*   
   58. GCI Solar - CA*   
   59. Green Nrg - CA*   
   60. Kuubix Energy - CA*   
   61. Peak Power USA - CA*   
   62. Penguin Home- CA*   
   63. Polar Solar - CA*   
   64. Professional Roofing and Solar - CA*   
   65. Sigora Home Solar - CA*   
   66. Solsun USA - CA*   
   67. Solar Advantage - CA*   
   68. Sullivan Solar Power - CA*   
   69. Sungrade Solar - CA*   
   70. SunPower - CA*   
   71. Sunstor Solar - CA*   
   72. RGS Energy - CA*   
   73. Solar Spectrum - CA*   
   74. Sunworks, Inc. - CA**   
   75. Swell Energy - CA*   
   76. United Solar Inc. - CA*   
      
   =====   
      
   Texas Company Closures:   
      
   77. American Sun*   
   78. Daybreak Solar Power*   
   79. Cosmo Solaris - DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation*   
   80. Envirosolar*   
   81. Hitech Solar*   
   82. Integrity Solar*   
   83. Next Energy*   
   84. Speir Innovations*   
   85. TES Home Solar*   
   86. Texas Solar Broker LLC*   
   87. Texas Solar Integrated LLC*   
   88. Verisolar*   
   89. Vulcan Solar*   
      
   =====   
      
   Other States:   
      
   90. 3D Solar - Florida*   
   91. AAA Certified Solar - Nevada*   
   92. Accept Solar - MA*   
   93. ACE Solar Systems - AZ*   
   94. Arizona Solar Concepts - AZ*   
   95. Code Green Solar - NJ*   
   96. EcoMark Solar - CO*   
   97. Elan Solar - UT*   
   98. Electriq Power - FL*   
   99. Encor Solar - UT*   
   100. Gulf South Solar - LA*   
   101. Moxie Solar - IA*   
   102. Refresh Energy Group - CO*   
   103. Saveco Solar - UT*   
   104. Solar Is Freedom - OH*   
   105. Solar Titan USA - TN*   
   106. SolarDot - FL*   
   107. Solarworks - AZ*   
   108. Solular, LLC - NJ*   
   109. Utah Solar Group - UT*   
   110. Voltage Solar Power - FL*   
   111. Zenernet - AZ*   
      
   *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.   
      
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   January:   
      
   Historic Snowstorms Sweep Russia   
   North India's Sharpest Cold In Years   
   Israel Shivers As Snow Hits Hermon   
   Turkey Buried   
   U.S. Arctic Cold Reloads   
   + Britain Locks In Higher Power Prices   
      
   California Drought-Free   
   'Polar Vortex' To Wallop US   
   100% Of Russia Under Snow   
   Moscow's Heaviest In 56 Years   
   Blizzards Intensify Along Japan Coast   
   Denmark Shivers   
   + Greenland Warming Follows Wind Patterns, Not Co2   
      
   Europe In The Freezer   
   Juneau's Cold   
      
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