XPost: alt.global-warming, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   On 1/19/26 4:41 PM, AlleyCat wrote:   
   >   
   > On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 16:51:34 -0800,  dart200 says...   
   >   
   >>> Are you a liberal, because your other posts didn't seem to reflect that?   
   >>   
   >> i don't ascribe to ur binary politics   
   >   
   > Fair enough... you're a fence-sitter going along with the polemic or which   
   way   
   > the wind is blowing strongest.   
      
   i hate everyone equally, including u   
      
   >   
   > Gotcha.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>> No one "blamed" the government for companies not being able to "by and   
   large,   
   >>> run long term profitable companies."   
   >>>   
   >>> I said the government shouldn't be in the business of giving money to   
   >>> companies who "by and large, suck at running long term profitable   
   >>> enterprises."   
   >>   
   >> it can be hard to tell that until you see what they do with the money.   
   >   
   > We know what they're doing. Mostly wasting it and getting rich while the   
   > taxpayers see NOTHING in return.   
   >   
   > Cheaper energy?   
   >   
   > Bullshit.   
   >   
   > Saving the world?   
   >   
   > FUCKING bullshit.   
   >   
   > We've closed most coal plants, made millions of EVs, switched to LED light   
   > bulbs (GREAT idea, BTW), Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Hydroelectric power, more   
   > nuclear power, smart grids, utility-scale battery storage, sustainable   
   > aviation fuel, high-speed rail, electric buses, hydrogen/ammonia shipping   
   > fuel, green steel, low-carbon cement, methane leak detection, waste heat   
   > recovery, heat pumps, carbon removal, direct air capture, carbon   
   > sequestration, reforestation, blue carbon, regenerative agriculture, carbon   
   > taxes, and trade programs.   
   >   
   > How much has CO² and temps gone down?   
      
   it's gunna take a whole lot more to deal with the vast ecological debt   
   that the 20th century put on us. people like u certainly ain't about to   
   do it.   
      
   >   
   >> the govt acts as a venture capitalist except it doesn't expect a direct   
   >> return on investment   
   >   
   > Thank you for describing communism! The GOVERNMENT is not SUPPOSED to be in   
   > that arena.   
      
   communism isn't "when the govt does things".   
      
   >   
   > They're using OUR money to give to others.   
   >   
   >> which allows it to take on way more risk than a   
   >> normal investor would.   
   >   
   > Again... not their job.   
      
   the us govt funded a ton of research and infrastructure dev, and it's   
   been doing it longer than u've been alive.   
      
   >   
   >>> The "Green Energy" business is a scam.   
   >   
   >> the underlying ideas aren't scams.   
   >   
   > No one said they were. Reason's ain't got nothing to do with taking taxpayer   
   > money and spending it on companies who're just going to embezzle it and go   
   > bankrupt.   
   >   
   >> the only suggesting i really have is that we can require govt funds to   
   >> come along with a transparency requirement on how the business is being run.   
   >> and with modern 21st century info tech this really should be real time   
   >> transparency done with the same kinda of observability portals/reports   
   >> that the execs have access to.   
   >   
   > Tell us EXACTLY how this happens, even if transparency is involved?   
      
   how what happens?   
      
   >   
   > Add these figures up and tell us why it was worth it, when CO2 was NOT abated   
   > and temps kept rising.   
      
   also why aren't you bitching about all the oil subsidies?   
      
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