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   Message 105,580 of 106,651   
   Snidely to All   
   Re: Starliner, will it ever fly?   
   19 Oct 21 22:56:41   
   
   From: snidely.too@gmail.com   
      
   Sylvia Else pounded on thar keyboard to tell us   
   > On 20-Oct-21 3:18 pm, JF Mezei wrote:   
   >> Just read another article that says the next Boeing Starliner test   
   >> flight won't be before sometime in first half of 2022, and first manned   
   >> flight hopefully by end of 2022.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> With SpaceX reliably providing the crew taxi/Uber service, Starliner   
   >> isn't needed. Is it possible that Boeing is trying to find a face-saving   
   >> way out of that contract for a Starliner nobody needs?   
   >>   
   >> Another possible reason would be lack of cash. Bombardier started 2   
   >> business jet and the C-series project concurrently, and the second the   
   >> C-Series was late, the company ran out of cash.  Killing he Lear 85   
   >> wasn't enough and it ended up draining cash from all divisions, so the   
   >> rail division no longer had the cash to increase workforce to deliver on   
   >> time and within quality standards. (to a point where New York Cuty told   
   >> Bombarder to not bother bidding again).  (All that is left of Bombardier   
   >> today is the Global 7500 and Challenger business jets, the rest of the   
   >> empire was all liquidated).   
   >>   
   >> With Boeing having problems with the 737 and 787, coumpounded with   
   >> COVID, if Starliner is not judged strategic, I could see why it would be   
   >> easy for Boeing to just starve it of the cash needed to boost   
   >> workforce/man hours to complete the project.   
   >>   
   >> What are the odds of Starliner getting finished and going into   
   >> production/manned launches vs Boeing and NASA agreeing that Starliner is   
   >> not needed anymore ?   
   >>   
   >   
   > I think I read somewhere, that Starliner has an ability to lift the orbit of   
   > the ISS that Dragon lacks. Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference.   
   >   
   > But even if that's true, NASA would certainly be better off paying SpaceX to   
   > develop that capability, than hoping that Starliner will eventually deliver.   
   >   
      
   NASA doesn't want a sole provider.  They've already had that, and if   
   SpaceX had to stand down ....   
      
   /dps   
      
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