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   Message 159 of 1,217   
   John Schilling to Wim Dekker   
   Re: Galileo To Taste Jupiter Before Taki   
   29 Sep 03 14:06:18   
   
   From: schillin@spock.usc.edu   
      
   "Wim Dekker"  writes:   
      
   >"Mike Miller"  wrote in message   
   >news:5dcb47db.0309260349.711f770@posting.google.com...   
   >> DP  wrote in message   
   >news:<3f6e2897$1@nntp.unige.ch>...   
      
   >> That's a bit different than Jovian atmosphere re-entry. Like,   
   >> a lot slower. Cassini's RTGs were expected to (IIRC) burn off   
   >> 33% of their mass if Cassini hit Earth during its sling shots   
   >> past Earth. Cassini swung by Earth at 19km/s. Galileo hit Jupiter   
   >> at 48km/s. 2.5 times the entry velocity translates into 6.25   
   >> times the kinetic energy to be converted into heat per kilogram   
   >> of spacecraft.   
      
   >I don't understand why kinetic energy increases quadratically   
   >with speed while the energy it costs to increase speed itself   
   >seams to be directly proportional to the speed. After all,   
   >speed = acceleration * time. What's wrong with my reasoning?   
      
      
   The implicit assumption that acceleration is proportional to   
   energy or power.  In fact, power = acceleration * velocity,   
   so when you do the integral you do get energy = 1/2 * mass *   
   velocity^2.   
      
   Yes, there are many propulsion systems which provide constant   
   thrust for a constant applied power.  But they do this, at low   
   velocities, by applying energy to something other than the   
   acceleration of the vehicle (specifically, acceleration of the   
   exhaust), and at high velocities, by exhausting reaction mass   
   that has already been accelerated to high velocity at great   
   cost in energy.   
      
   When you do the integral over the trajectory of the vehicle,   
   you find that the energy applied is >= 1/2 * mass * velocity^2   
      
      
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