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   >They believe that instead, spacetime turns into something different, that   
   >ISN'T space and ISN'T time and ISN'T matter, so that there isn't any "thing"   
   >there that we would recognize as a "thing" any more, and that nothing else can   
   >possibly penetrate into, because nothing that we would recognize as a "thing"   
   >can possibly exist in such an everything-less non-happening-ness no-place.   
      
   Well there a several logical flaws with this idea.   
   Since everyone agrees that black holes can not be seen by default,   
   they can only be observed by the effect they are having on their   
   surroundings.   
   Mainly gravity that is. Since the gravitational side effects of super massive   
   (as well as lesser massive neutron stars) are well known by now, this new   
   approach begs the questions, WHERE DOES THAT GRAVITY COME FROM?   
      
   Gravity neccessitates mass, thus if there is no super massive object at the   
   core,   
   then why can we still observe its gravity?   
      
   Also, even so Einstein himself at first refused to accept this fact, it is   
   clear that   
   if light has a finite speed, and also has mass (both assumptions based on   
   Albert's own theories), that light can indeed be accelerated beyond its own   
   means of escape if you only pile up enough mass to do so.   
   And since in Einstein's universe nothing is faster then light, this also   
   means   
   that nothing else could get out there. Thus you got a black hole.   
      
   It is not for no reason that black holes where already accepted as a   
   certainty   
   long before they could ever be observed. Einstein's own workings neccesitate   
   them!   
      
   Indeed, by now we also know that w/o super massive black holes our very   
   Universe   
   would not exist as we know it. Galaxies themselves require black holes to   
   form around them.   
      
   Greetings   
   	Morenga   
      
   >   
   >Most scientists don't take this crazy idea seriously, because they think it is   
   >even more disgusting than these two guys think the idea of "black holes" is.   
   >   
   >There.  Did that help ???  I didn't think so...   
   >   
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