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   George William Herbert to Mike Miller   
   Re: Vapor as rocket propellant and coola   
   05 Jul 04 23:31:50   
   
   From: gherbert@gw.retro.com   
      
   Mike Miller  wrote:   
   >> Welding is not rocket science.   
   >   
   >Well, if you're using high-strength alloys with little tolerance   
   >toward welding, it can be as complicated as rocket science.   
   >   
   >Alloy segregation, grain size, heat affected zones, fusion, lack of   
   >fusion, slag inclusion, the effects of multiple weld passes, the   
   >problems with work piece orientation...welding is COMPLICATED,   
   >especially when dealing with high strength alloys fit for large   
   >pressure-fed rockets. It's so complicated that it's not yet possible   
   >to automate the welding of large submarine hulls, which use more   
   >forgiving alloys than the alloys considered for pressure-fed big dumb   
   >boosters.   
      
   As a slight rebuttal to this, though...   
      
   It is possible to braze a lot of the Al alloys with much   
   less complications.  See "Alumiweld".   
      
   It's becoming possible to friction-stir weld a lot of things,   
   definitely including essentially all Aluminum alloys, and at   
   least some of the high strength steel ones, with a lot less   
   complications as well.  Delta-IV common booster core main tank   
   wall segments are FSW'ed; it was initially used as an emergency   
   recovery test when manual welding wrecked one tankset, and it   
   worked so well that they abandoned the manual welding.   
      
   FSW has been done on equivalently high strength steels as   
   the HY-series used for sub hulls, but I don't know of any   
   serious program to try FSW on subs themselves.  Among other   
   problems, the sub hull plates are a lot thicker than what   
   I have seen successfully reported as being FSWed.   
      
   A propellant tank, however, would be somewhat thinner.   
      
   Thicknesses up to 75mm of Al have been reported as being   
   successfully FSWed right now.   
      
      
   -george william herbert   
   gherbert@retro.com   
      
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