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   Henry Spencer to damon1six1@comcast.not.retro.com   
   Re: Delta vs Titan   
   01 Jan 05 18:05:36   
   
   From: henry@spsystems.net   
      
   In article ,   
   Damon Hill   wrote:   
   >>>Dumb question - is this the first large rocket to use only LH2/LOX at   
   >>>liftoff?   
   >> Indeed it is.  Nobody else has thought that was a good idea.   
   >   
   >...Given the well-established practice of denser propellants in the   
   >first stage (or boosters), there must have been a compelling reason   
   >that outweighed known disadvantages...   
      
   It could just have been a bad case of hydrogen religion on the part of   
   someone influential.  There's still a lot of that around.   
      
   However, a more pragmatic issue may have been engine development status.   
   My impression is that the RS-68 is derived fairly directly from the   
   NASA-funded STME effort some years ago.  That being the case, coming up   
   with a LOX/LH2 engine of about the right size would have been a low-cost   
   low-risk short-schedule development project, because much of the work was   
   already done.  But the existing US-made LOX/kerosene engine designs are   
   all the wrong size -- the F-1 is too big, everything else is too small --   
   and development of a new one would have to start very nearly from scratch.   
      
   (Mind you, "too big" is a relative term, and there is a lot to be said for   
   building launchers a bit oversize -- it costs very little extra, if things   
   like engines already exist, and provides valuable insurance against   
   payload growth.  McDD could have built a very nice launcher, with a lot of   
   growth potential, using a single F-1 in a new first stage and basing the   
   second stage on Douglas's old S-IV design with clustered RL10s.  Whether   
   it could have won the EELV competition is another question, however...)   
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