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|    Gene P. to daniel.m.v@terra.es    |
|    Re: Propellantless propulsion system    |
|    20 Jan 05 14:41:33    |
      From: alcore@uurth.com       Copy: sci-space-tech@moderators.isc.org              On 20 Jan 2005, daniel.m.v@terra.es wrote:              [snip]       >When the stake stops forward wheel angular motion quantity transforms       >in a component of linear motion quantity and in another component of       >angular motion quantity. You can test this at home with the back wheel       >of you bicycle braking it when it is turning to the maximum speed you       >can give it.       >       >It is not the same to brake a wheel by one side than by the axis. In       >the last case there is a motion quantity transformation (angular ->       >angular + linear), in the first case there is not transformation       >(angular -> angular).       >       >I have been talking with people and we think that following this basic       >principle, propellantless propulsion systems can be built because       >angular motion quantity can be transformed in a component of linear       >motion quantity and in another component of angular motion quantity. If       >we isolate the linear motion component whe can build a propulsion       >device.       [snip]              Ummm... no.              In the movie you cited, what *really* happened was that when the front       wheel stopped spinning, it transferred all of it's angular momentum to the       bike... which forced the bike to put it's front wheel down... which       because it was locked and unable to spin, immediately acted as a brake       against the ground... which violently stopped the bike. Unfortunately the       rider didn't stop all that fast... so he continued forward with a       share of the Bike's angular momentum and *all* of his own linear       momentum... until he too hit the ground.              As for your premise...              My 10 speed bicycle used caliper brakes mounted at the top of the wheel.       By your theory this should have interfered with stopping as the angular       momentum of my wheels got turned into forward momentum... This was simply       *not* the case.              The bike and it's caliper brakes form a closed system. While the calipers       were certainly subjected to a linear force vector in the forward       direction, they in turn were held in place by the stucture of the bike       (including the wheel axles... and wheels) pushing back with enough force       that they remain in place.              While it is certainly possible to project an object using a rotating drum       as a launcher, in this case, your "propellant" is the entire launcher       assembly... as your projectile flys away from it.              Gene Pharr       Slidell LA              --       Alcore Nilth - The Mad Alchemist of Gevbeck       alcore@uurth.com              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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