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   Treon Verdery to All   
   [[Ok, so if they could grow long staple    
   05 Sep 22 00:42:24   
   
   From: treon3verdery@gmail.com   
      
     This benefits the environment as it replaces wood materials from nature,   
   notably wild trees, with things growable in cheap, nonsterile tanks.  No, it   
   is otherwise, the labor to harvest a tree is perhaps 2-5 minutes with   
   automated shears and the tree    
   has a mass of hundreds of pounds, so the algae is not cheaper. There could be   
   ethically sourced cellulose fiber preferences though, Ikea might prefer algae   
   grown fibers to wild growth tree fibers.     
      
   Perhaps socially contextualized algae cellulose and tree farms could supply   
   materials to build things from wood or algae cellulose products; my perception   
   is that people in the US would remit a premium during 2019 AD to have higher   
   energy efficiency and    
   things like solar. So, at various forms of building around the globe,   
   renewably sourced cellulose from things like algae and tree farms could have a   
   share, perhaps a large share, of building material and paper consumption based   
   on consumer sociocultural    
   values.  Then again, as far as I can figure out, algae based cellulose is not   
   cheaper than a 2 minute snip from a tractor with shears.]]   
      
   Longevity things, the idea is that the greater the longevity the greater   
   benefit to humans, that is people, from people who are beneficial to others;   
   advertising longevity technologies to all humans, that is people, is optimal,   
   yet if advertising and    
   communication efforts had an amount reaching less than 100% of earths   
   population then triaging the advertising to encourage beneficial people to   
   live longer would create measurable benefit to all the people considered as a   
   group.  The other option is    
   instead of triaging just figure out a form of advertising that reaches   
   everyone on earth, effectively enough to produce longevity causing actions.  I   
   am reminded of the artificial satellite banner ad in the sky technology.  It   
   just orbits the earth,    
   telling people to get and take longevity drugs, on a pixel-addressable screen   
   that communicates at all written languages.   
      
   metformin 3 times a day; if sustained plasma concentration goes with actual   
   amount of longevity increase three times a day dosing might actually cause 1/3   
   more longevity effect; also is there extended release metformin.  Getting that   
   pill could work    
   better as well.   
      
   epitalon (20 something %)   
      
   sleep hygiene, I perceive I read that people that get 8 hours of sleep and   
   sleep through the night live 5% or, (perhaps I misremember) 10% longer.   
   If I take phenylethylamine once a week, then each century of living is   
   52*100*20 ideas or 100,000 ish ideas and technologies that are new to me, with   
   me preferring they be things that benefit humans, that is people.  So   
   apparently me changing my sleeping    
   habits could produce 50,000 to 100,000 more ideas from greater longevity.   
      
   Eununchs live, I perceive about 14 years longer, so cyproterone acetate,   
   chemical castration could be a longevity drug.   
      
   Rapamycin, I perceive one rather lengthy treatment, caused rodenst to live 60%   
   longer.     
      
   antiinflammatory drugs of some kind, aspirin and ibuprofen and naproxen, I do   
   not know if COX-2 is one of them could cause weller longer lifespan,   
   “chronic systemic inflammation becomes increasingly associated with risk of   
   death, loss of cognitive    
   function and increasing dependency”   
      
   Legumes might be longevity foods, “every 20-gram increase in legume   
   consumption produced a 7-8% reduction in mortality with or without controlling   
   for ethnicity (p = 0.02), while “other food groups were not found to be   
   consistently significant in    
   predicting survival”  “Well-known legumes include alfalfa, clover, beans,   
   peas, chickpeas, lentils, lupins, mesquite, carob, soybeans, peanuts”   
      
   A food blurb: “outcomes of more than 138,500 people ages 35 to 70 worldwide   
   for an average of nine years”…“The people in the “healthiest” group   
   consumed 54 percent of their diet from carbohydrates, 28 percent from fats,   
   and 18 percent from    
   protein. The least healthy ate nearly 70 percent of their diet in carbs, about   
   18 percent from fats, and 12 percent from protein.”  Cheese, avocados,   
   vegetable oil spread that advertises as beneficial and peanut butter could   
   possibly be beneficial   
      
      
      
      
   Are you aware of any drugs that when taken cause a longevity effect that   
   occurs from a brief plasma half life, once a day dose?     
      
   Some longevity chemicals with a sustained presence at the body are, I think,   
   supported with things like metformin circulating constantly, possibly doing   
   some AMPK thing continuously.   
        
   Are there longevity chemicals that function as longevity increasing switches?   
   Are there things where a dose, perhaps a high amplitude, narrow duration of   
   effect dose causes a published longevity effect?   
      
   Two (or maybe just one) that I can think of are melatonin and the peptide   
   epitalon.  At the brain, melatonin is released as a pulsatile event, so   
   possibly brief duration of action. I think I read melatonin make laboratory   
   rodents live longer.    
      
   Epitalon is a 4 amino acid peptide that makes laboratory animals live longer   
   (I perceive mid 20%) and be weller.  I do not know much, but as a peptide, if   
   you snort it, I can imagine it lasting minutes rather than hours at the   
   circulation, so perhaps it    
   is a longevity turn on switch drug.  Melatonin is a pineal gland secretion   
   product, and epitalon is an engineered version of a pineal produced peptide.   
      
   It would thrill me if anyone here had ideas or knew about brief high amplitude   
   dose longevity drugs and chemicals.  What do you think some other ones are?   
      
   Senolytics also come to mind, “zap the senescent cytes with one course of   
   treatment, live weller and longer afterwards” is kind of different than   
   brief plasma half life longevity drugs.   
      
   Quality of life:   
      
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