XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.food.baking   
   From: bradley@nospam.com   
      
   On 9/29/2023 5:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:   
   >> I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,   
   >   
   > That was going to be my question.  Why are you screwing around with   
   > ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature?  I haven't   
   > seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.   
      
   People who use self-cleaning features of ovens and then they cry about   
   global warming are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.   
      
   >> Anyone use the self cleaning feature?   
   >> Does it work?   
   >   
   > Yes, and yes.  Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean   
   > feature to be effective.   
      
   I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works,   
   but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.   
      
   Consumer Reports specifically said one percent of the ovens break down due   
   to the self cleaning feature being used.   
      
   >> If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.   
   >   
   > You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned   
   > food.   
      
   That's a good thing.   
   It's like you telling me I haven't wasted our precious water watering my   
   lawn or washing my car or taking three or four baths a day.   
      
   Not wasting resources is a good thing.   
   You seem to think it's a bad thing.   
      
   It's not.   
   It's a good thing.   
      
   It's like a BBQ.   
   It's _supposed_ to be all black.   
      
      
   >> The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in   
   >> the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a   
   >   
   > I think the moral of that story is:  don't eat tilapia.  It's nasty   
   > stuff.  Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no   
   > other source of nutrition is available).   
      
   You can tell others to waste their money - but I don't waste anything.   
   I use the bones of the Tilapia as one of the layers of my fertilizer.   
      
   And yes, the fertilizer has _all_ the components that it should have.   
   Pee. Poop. Kitchen scraps. And Tilapia.   
      
   If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources   
   becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.   
      
   Which is something only Republicans can afford to do.   
   And which is something only Democrats lie about saying they don't do it.   
      
   Bear in mind, both Democrats and Republicans are liars.   
   They just lie in different ways.   
      
   The Democrats waste our resources but they cry about it.   
   The Republicans waste our resources but they don't care about it.   
      
   You can choose which one you are - but I'm neither.   
   I don't waste our resources if I don't have to.   
      
   >> Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?   
   >> It has black baked on crud everywhere.   
   >   
   > I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the   
   > oven to begin with.   
      
   You seem to think this "proper maintenenance" matters.   
   It doesn't.   
      
   You clean it when it gets dirty.   
   Just like you clean your penis.   
      
   > Buy some oven cleaner.  That's what it's for.  It's formulated to   
   > stick to the oven walls while it works.   
      
   Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.   
   It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.   
      
   I'll make my own lye with table salt in water plus two carbon electrodes   
   and a 12VDC car battery if I have to but I'm not wasting our precious   
   resources on highly marketed and packaged 1% ingredients like you suggest.   
      
   > Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.   
      
   Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using   
   too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door   
   glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.   
      
   They also recommend leaving the ammonia inside in a non-aluminum bowl,   
   to loosen the crud - which is what I'm doing now - so the fumes work.   
      
   They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your   
   birds, and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to   
   keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.   
      
   People who waste energy should be Republicans because then they're not   
   liars because Republicans don't care. Democrats say they care. But they   
   lie.   
      
   Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the   
   point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the   
   environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.   
      
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