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|    Graydon Bigcanoe to All    |
|    Algore No Longer Relevant Now That Trump    |
|    10 Apr 19 12:39:34    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism       XPost: alt.global-warming       From: Graydon_Bigcanoe@kremlin.ru              Donald Trump lies. He lies all the time.              He lies effortlessly. He lies shamelessly.              He lies garishly and promiscuously.              Before, during, and after the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump       has lied repeatedly.              Trump is unfazed that he has no facts to back up his lies, and       he seems not to care about the fact-checks that repeatedly       expose his statements to be lies.              He lies so much that newspapers and TV networks finally felt       honor-bound to stop downplaying Trump's lies with niceties and       euphemisms —"not backed up by facts" and "not truthful" —and       simply started to call them lies.              Trump's team has generally been equally brazen in their lies.       Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway repeat and amplify Trump's       lies, and they too are apparently unconcerned that their lies       are obvious even to a child.              Reince Priebus bothers to repeat Trump's lies, for example, the       lie about Trump's "electoral landslide," not caring that it was       in fact the 44th largest margin of victory out of 56       presidential elections.              Most of all, Trump and his team have lied carelessly. Under       increasing pressure, however, we are starting to see the       emergence of what can only be called careful lying. Not that       the careless lies will stop, of course, but it is important to       guard against having become dulled by the obvious lying to the       more clever lies that some of Trump's people are now deploying.              Careful lying is not always successful, but it at least       embodies an effort to say something that is not literally false       in the 2 + 2 = 5 sense of the word. It is an intent to mislead       and deceive. It is what perjury statutes try to capture, and       what the oath "to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing       but the truth" is designed to prevent.              When reporters and commentators pointedly stipulate that       something is not "technically lying," they are talking about       lying. We have plenty of synonyms and ways to dress it up, but       people know when they have been lied to, and it does not matter       if the liar has figured out a way to deceive us without having       to make up facts to do so.       Related: Neil Buchanan : Do Democrats Want Trump to Stay In       Office?              Trump and Co.'s careless lying has been fed in part by their       sense of being untouchable. Now that they are feeling under       siege, at least some of the people in the White House have been       trying to figure out how to lie to people without ever being       confronted with a reporter saying, "You said you were in Akron       on Monday, but we have ironclad evidence that you were actually       in Albuquerque."              05_21_Neil_Trump_01 Donald Trump holds up a rubber mask of       himself at a campaign rally in the Robarts Arena at the       Sarasota Fairgrounds November 7, 2016 in Sarasota, Florida.       Neil Buchanan writes that because the lawyers who wrote the       letter about Trump's tax returns do not define their terms, we       can only guess that they might be covering themselves to be       able to say, "Well, we didn't technically lie." Chip       Somodevilla/Getty              Two examples of careful lying from the White House are       illustrative of the concept. First, after The Washington Post       's blockbuster May 15 scoop that Trump had revealed highly       classified information to two top officials of the Russian       government, the Administration sent out Trump's national       security advisor, H.R. McMaster, to do some careful lying.              The Post 's Glenn Kessler provides a beautiful rundown of       McMaster's willful deceptions. McMaster had (emphasis on the       past tense) an enviable record of integrity, so he was careful       not to say that up is down or that freedom is slavery. Even so,       he made statements that were false and misleading.              We know this in part because Trump later contradicted McMaster.       Whereas McMaster had claimed that The Post 's story "as       reported is false," Trump then admitted in a tweet that he had       in fact revealed the information to the Russians. McMaster then       was reduced to saying that Trump's having done so —something       that McMaster had gone to great lengths to convince us had not       happened—was "wholly appropriate."              At one point, McMaster said, “At no time were intelligence       sources or methods discussed. And the president did not       disclose any military operations that were not already publicly       known."              Kessler correctly describes this as a "classic deflection from       the key findings of the report, the PR version of three-card       monte."              In other words, by saying that Trump did not discuss       intelligence sources or methods or disclose military       operations, McMaster tried to get people to think, "Oh, so I       guess nothing bad happened." But Trump did not have to discuss       sources or methods in order to disclose non -military       operations. If he did that, McMaster could try to claim that he       "never really lied." Nonsense.              Remember what Trump did. In his enthusiasm to impress his       boss's associates, he did not say, "Israel told us about this       specific way in which they gathered information." He instead       gave the Russians enough information that they could deduce the       source of the intelligence.              This is the equivalent of telling someone who is under       surveillance that you know verbatim something that she said       aloud while sitting alone in her house. You did not tell her       that you have her house bugged, but you gave her everything she       needs to know to figure it out. And you will have blown your       intelligence operation.       Related: Neil Buchanan : What Would Trump Have Done If Hillary       Had Won?              Again, many people are likely to split hairs about what       McMaster did, saying that it does not quite amount to lying.       But there is a reason that "lawyerly" is often used as an       insult. "I didn't lie to you about taking your money,       sweetheart. I just deceived you." Just because a lie is crafted       carefully does not make it true, nor does it make it any less       deceptive.              The second example of careful lying from Team Trump happens to       be in my comfort zone: tax law. Pushing back against the idea       that Trump's unreleased tax returns contain information tying       him to Russian money, the White House recently released a       "certified letter" from a private law firm claiming that the       last ten years of Trump's tax returns do not show "any income       of any type from Russian sources."              Satisfied? No one should be. The letter, a one-page exercise in       deception, was written by two lawyers who "work for a law firm       that has extensive ties to Russia and received a 'Russia Law              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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