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|    Norm Why to All    |
|    Re: Infrared temperature gun    |
|    25 Apr 20 00:59:56    |
      From: nobody@microsoft.com              >>>>>>>>>>>>> 49° 10' 31"N       >>>>>>>>>>>>> 123° 56'43"W       >>>>       > 5:30 AM April 24, 2020       >>>>       >>       >> Sky cloudy above       >>       > Sky Raman -21.1C.       > Sky -11.4C.       >>       >>>> Ground above zero       >       > Being at sea level and in an Urban Heat Island is not representative for       > land. The average elevation of land is 600 meters. An observatory in the       > BC interior would give valuable warning of killer frosts. Frosts are not       > dependent of reported air temperatures and at not predictable. The last       > time there was an unseasonal killer frost in this town it was reported to       > exceed a century past record.       >       >>>>>>> Next I will comment of accuracy and precision of gun.              Now is the time to comment on accuracy and precision of the gun. First I       pointed the laser at my forehead and got a reading 3 C. below a mouth       thermometer reading. Then I realized that I did not have a fever. Such a gun       is used in medical science so it can be trusted as a scientific instrument.       It gives a varying number significant figures and I try to take multiple       readings when needed.              There is a button to turn off the laser. When off, reading are not Raman       thermometry. 35 years ago I published on combustion in Proceeding of the       American Society of Mechanical Engineers and the ASME has agreed to publish       a new version. So I can presume I am an authority on combustion.              I have a BIC lighter and the flame is blue at the bottom and yellow on top.       There are carbon black particles in the yellow flame so it can be assumed to       be black body radiator. The red laser measures the temperature of a surface       by Raman scattering. I shone the laser at the flame and it went right       through, no surface. The gun reading was 5C. above ambient. I estimate that       a thermocouple temperature reading would be ~500 C. depending on location.              In laboratory IR spectroscopy, fused alkali halide windows are used NaCl,       NaBr. KCl, KBr. The gun has some kind of plastic Fresnel lens. I need to       consult the patent to learn more.              I child might contour the comfortable zone around the flame Hot air rises so       one cannot place a hand even six inches above the flame. In the horizontal       place a finger tip can be brought within 0.5 cm. This is "Greenhouse". It       demonstrates the Beer-Lambert Law, extinction coefficient and extinction       depth. Tarmac is a perfect black-body. The heating zone is that thin       reflective mirage you see on a hot sunny day. "Greenhouse" is near your       ankles not above your head.              IR Raman does not work with a flame. IR thermometry does not work either       because of the short extinction depth. The IR Raman gun is made of plastic.       If it goes too close to the flame it will melt.              Radiation of cold appears to be contrary to radiation of heat. Heat energy       flows downhill. One can take the IR Raman temperature of low hanging cloud       because heat energy flows out of the gun upwards. Remember thermal inertia.       This takes time and one repeats until a meaningful reading is found. Only       temperatures below zero are meaningful. IR Raman and IR readings need not be       the same because they use different physics.              For generality it might be useful to build a station at 600 meters. Use a       concrete slab for the ground. Protect that slab from Sun and wind on three       sides so it radiates into the North. Only note the lowest temperature and       that might warn of killer frosts. Make this under computer automation,       telemetry. One does not want too much data only that which is meaningful. A       second gun would be directed up towards to North West sky to capture the       coldest reading. This may correlate with Thermosphere Climate Index, which       is a satellite reading from above.              Elsewhere I showed that the weak IR absorption of CO2 overlaps with the IR       band for water. Water is the great IR absorber, but "Greenhouse" is near       your ankles. H2O is bent and has a permanent dipole moment. Einstein showed       that what absorbs also emits. But CO2 is a piss poor absorber and so for its       emissions. One cannot measure CO2 emissions from a satellite. Instead a       polar molecule is used instead. NO nitric oxide has a nice permanent dipole       because of the electronegativity difference between nitrogen and oxygen       atoms. Nitric oxide can be formed by photodissociation, as with ozone O3.              It would be nice to get collaboration of satellite reading with land based       readings.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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