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|    dum method for "current temperature of t    |
|    25 Aug 21 13:05:19    |
      XPost: alt.global-warming              EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:       - Measure twice and cut once says the old saw. According to your        highschool math class by averaging N repeated measurements together        you can reduce the error by a factor of 1/sqrt(N). Hillbillies        generally say the error in the average temperature if N measurements        is still +1C because each thermometer has (for argument's sake) that error.       - But the math formula assumes the measurements are "independent" and        "unbiased".       - One web page tries to average up available met stations to arrive at        an average temp of the earth. The page pointedly maintains it uses        unprocessed temperature data in deg C. Unfortunately the siting of        met stations is not "random". They mostly cluster together around        population centers. They also are not very complete. Even (say)        16000 met stations represent only around 1% of the land's surface,        and much less the total surface of the earth.       - We conduct an experiment with 1000s of met stations from the GHCN v3        dataset. Using larger and larger samples from the TAVG for a given        date we determine how far the sample average is from the average of        all stations for that date. We want to know whether the error is        reducing according to 1/sqrt(N) or maybe is much worse.       - It turns out 80% of the results obtained showed an error of +-8C. It        seems as samples got larger and larger the error rate "got stuck"        and samples larger than ~20 made no improvement to the error bounds        of the average of the TAVG's.       - A power law was fit to the observed trend and showed the error        (ignoring it seemed to get stuck at 8) *seemed* to follow 1/N^0.1 --        a much slower rate of improvement than 1/sqrt(N). Using that        formula showed the error for an average of 6000 or 16000 stations        would still be more than +-5C.       - It seems the "add it up and average" of clustered met stations that        anyway represent only 1% of land area directly (i.e. assuming each        met station faithfully represents the temperature of the surrounding        100 km2) is just junk science.       - By dividing the oceans up into e.g. 2x2 km grids and measuring the        IR from each at nighttime and averaging them all up for a 24 hr        period estimates the average temp of the oceans on the same date as the        dumb method but got a result of 15.85C with a claimed 3 digits of accuracy.        Not surprisingly that compared favorably with other published results.                      For non-math types it's sometimes hard to understand that scientists       can calculate the warming trend attributed to AGW without actually       bothering to calculate an explicit "average temperature of the earth".              To many people it seems impossible to calculate rate of increase in X       without calculating X's and looking at how they change over time.              The resolution of the conundrum involves only high school level math.       Each met station on the earth is liable to see the effect of global       warming. If look at a number of them and "average the trends" you tend       to zero in on a very good estimate of the overall trend warming for AGW.              It's also true that each met station also is an approximation of the       average temperature of the earth. It's just that it's a very noisy       estimate. Adding up noisy estimates of something without careful       handling just adds up the noise and eventually swamps the underlying signal.              This is a useful trick lie bloggers and others employed by PR agencies       to fuzz up the public's understanding of what's going on with anything       that might be subject to product liability claims. They add up       disparate numbers and magnify the noise and stand back saying --       "look, nothing to see here".              In the case of the "average temperature of the earth" -- that some       climate denier sites tend to point to as evidence the earth is not       warming and there are no more tornadies, floods, hurricanes and       heatwaves like the newspapers and scientists is sayin -- the dumb way       of calculating this magic number is guaranteed to be way off. Usually       they explicitly say they are using "unprocessed temperature data".              And it's amazing how bad this method is. It's really really laughable.       but as with most science, you have to have an IQ over 90 or have       graduated highschool to get the joke.              Standard highschool math (I met this in year 11) shows you how to       calculate the uncertainty in the calculation of an average of some numbers.              They say if you measure twice you need to cut only once. In some way       averaging 2 measurements is "better" than just one. But how much better?              The highschool math shows you that if you measure something N times       each with an "accuracy" of S then the error in the average of the       measurements is S/sqrt(N). if you take 2 measurements and average then       the error is reduced to 1/sqrt(2) -- about .70, i.e. about a 30%       improvement on 1 measurement. If you measure it 9 times and average       then then error is reduced by almost 70%.              But this formula relies on some assumptions. And the most important is       that the measurements are independent of one another. I.e. if you're       cutting a length of timber you really should stand up, walk around,       come back and measure it again. Not just stand there and look at the       tape measure twice.              To measure the temperature of the earth -- if you wanted to do that --       you would need to measure the temperature of random spots on the       planet at more or less the same time. If each thermometer had an       accuracy of (say) 0.1C then taken 100 "independent" measurements would       reduce the error to 1/sqrt(100) i.e. 1/10 of .1 == .01C.              This was the basic error in the old climate denier claim you cant       measure any temperature better than +-1C. I remember some guy -- let's       call him Brent -- arguing about this basic highschool math for months       before someone must have taken him aside and showed him a school       textbook. He then deleted all those posts he's made because it seemed       at the time he was a college tutor.              But if the temperature measurements are not carefully selected to be       random then the error does not reduce as expected. It can even grow.              So this takes up so the exercise of calculating the "average       temperature of the earth" by summing up the "unprocessed temperature       measurements" from 1000s of (we assume) almost exclusively land-based       stations at some point in time.              We don't expect temp stations to be sited randomly all over the earth.       They are usually, e.g., near population centers and they -- fore sure       -- cluster around latitude 45N.              If you ask only registered voters for one political party their       voting intentions and averaging them out you will not predict the       outcome of too many elections.              But it is incredible just how bad this average of all stations without       twiddling is.              I did an experiment with the GHCN v3 stations. There are 100k of them       in the database, but at any one time only around 7k of them are       active. Picking a random 20th cent date in August I found about 2k of       them had a TAVG measurement for that date.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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