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   From: nospam@buzz.off   
      
   On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 13:22:09 +0100, the following appeared   
   in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"   
   :   
      
   >On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:55:54 -0700   
   >Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:12:08 +0100, the following appeared   
   >> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"   
   >> :   
   >>   
   >> >On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:34:23 -0700   
   >> >Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:31:04 -0700, the following appeared   
   >> >> in sci.skeptic, posted by Ron Hamilton   
   >> >> :   
   >> >>   
   >> >> >On 1/21/2011 10:18 AM, T. Howard Pines, Jr. wrote:   
   >> >> >> Coming into existence, or "getting to experience life", is not better   
   than never   
   >> >> >> existing.  It can't be, because no such comparison can be made.  Nor   
   can   
   >> >> >> existence be worse than never existing, for the same reason.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Correct.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> Agreed. While the stated comparison isn't, strictly speaking   
   >> >> and AFAIK, a logical fallacy, it *is* an error in logic.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> In order to say that anything is better or worse for an entity, one   
   necessarily   
   >> >> >> is talking about two different states of welfare or well-being for   
   the entity.   
   >> >> >> But an entity must exist in order to have a welfare state of   
   well-being.  Thus,   
   >> >> >> the comparison between existence and non-existence, from the   
   perspective of the   
   >> >> >> entity, cannot be made.  It is absurd.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Also correct.   
   >> >   
   >> >I think "David" no longer posts to Usenet.   
   >> >   
   >> >It's been 14 years since this "discussion"   
   >> >   
   >> "David"? I only see Ron and T. Howard.   
   >>   
   >He was a constant poster back then, with this very bee (about existence) in   
   >his bonnet, Vegetarians were denying animals the right to be born and   
   >experience life before being eaten.   
   >   
   Sounds like the usual idiot we see in t.o.   
   >   
   >> That aside, I didn't notice the age; thanks for the   
   >> heads-up.   
   >> >   
   >OK.   
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