XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.atheism, sci.skeptic
XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
From: admin@127.0.0.1
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:55:54 -0700
Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:12:08 +0100, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> :
>
> >On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:34:23 -0700
> >Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 09:31:04 -0700, the following appeared
> >> in sci.skeptic, posted by Ron Hamilton
> >> :
> >>
> >> >On 1/21/2011 10:18 AM, T. Howard Pines, Jr. wrote:
> >> >> Coming into existence, or "getting to experience life", is not better
than never
> >> >> existing. It can't be, because no such comparison can be made. Nor
can
> >> >> existence be worse than never existing, for the same reason.
> >> >
> >> >Correct.
> >> >
> >> Agreed. While the stated comparison isn't, strictly speaking
> >> and AFAIK, a logical fallacy, it *is* an error in logic.
> >> >>
> >> >> In order to say that anything is better or worse for an entity, one
necessarily
> >> >> is talking about two different states of welfare or well-being for the
entity.
> >> >> But an entity must exist in order to have a welfare state of
well-being. Thus,
> >> >> the comparison between existence and non-existence, from the
perspective of the
> >> >> entity, cannot be made. It is absurd.
> >> >
> >> >Also correct.
> >
> >I think "David" no longer posts to Usenet.
> >
> >It's been 14 years since this "discussion"
> >
> "David"? I only see Ron and T. Howard.
>
He was a constant poster back then, with this very bee (about existence) in
his bonnet, Vegetarians were denying animals the right to be born and
experience life before being eaten.
> That aside, I didn't notice the age; thanks for the
> heads-up.
> >
OK.
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