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   On 30.04.2024 16:57, Christian Weisgerber wrote:   
      
   >On 2024-04-30, Peter Moylan  wrote:   
   >   
   >>This bothers me. What should (most) Celtic languages and (some) Slavic   
   >>languages share a feature that is not found in the many languages that   
   >>sit geographically between them?   
   >   
   >Ross has already pointed to the World Atlas of Language Structures:   
   >   
   >"As the map demonstrates, the distribution of the various types of   
   > predicative possession shows considerable areal effects. Eurasia   
   > and North Africa (with the exception of the languages of western   
   > Europe) is almost exclusively the domain of the Oblique Possessive."   
      
   [snip]   
      
   >Somewhere I've also read the suggestion that Russian might have   
   >been influenced by Finnic languages.   
      
   E. g. in Hungarian (Magyar) there ain't a word for "have" either.   
   Instead, some kind of wording {[to whom] + [to be]} is in use.   
      
   In most cases even without that pronoun meaning [to whom],   
   since the term for the possessed  always has itself   
   an _ending_, a suffix, to it which itself bears the possessive   
   semantic.   
      
   E.g.   
      
   ►  "(Nekem) Türelmem van"  "Van (nekem) türelmem" (I've got   
   patience.)   
   ►  "(Nekem) Pénzem volt/lesz"  "Volt/lesz (majd) (nekem) pénzem"   
   (I had & I'll have money.)   
   ►  "(Nekem,) Ha pénzem lenne/volna"  "Ha lenne/volna pénzem   
   (nekem)" (If I had money.) and "lett volna  volt volna"   
   (If I would have had)   
      
   A bit complicated is the rendering of "the haves and the have-nots":   
      
   => e.g. wordings meaning "the proprietors/owners and the lack-all"   
   or "the penniless". (Even Latin can't show a good rendering by   
   means of "habere": "the haves" are the ... "possidentes". (As   
   in "beati possidentes," the "beautiful haves" :-)).   
      
   Tim   
      
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