XPost: rec.puzzles, alt.usage.english
From: HenHanna@devnull.tb
On 5/22/2024 8:26 AM, HenHanna wrote:
>
> On 5/22/2024 7:01 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Tue, 21 May 2024 14:10:36 -0700: HenHanna
>> scribeva:
>>> in English (phonology), the H, and P, B sounds are related?
>>
>> Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
>> could even hope to answer you question sensibly.
>>
>>> common phrase Hanky-Panky contains a H-P contrast
>>>
>>> H-B contrast in Hobo,
>>> "Hubdub" is a misspelling of "hubbub"
???
>>>
>>>
>>> Haberdasher: a seller of hats and men's clothing.
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________ Well, H doesn't seem [bilabial] to me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ........ the H, P, and B sounds in English phonology are related!
>>>
>>> They are all classified as bilabial consonants, meaning they are
>>> produced by closing your two lips together. However, they differ in
>>> their voicing:
>>>
>>> P: A voiceless bilabial plosive. When you pronounce "p", you close your
>>> lips completely and then release the built-up air with a pop. No
>>> vibration occurs in your vocal cords.
>>>
>>> B: A voiced bilabial plosive. Pronouncing "b" is similar to "p" but with
>>> vibration in your vocal cords along with the lip closure and release.
>>> This vibration creates a buzzing sound.
>>>
>>> H: A voiceless glottal fricative. This might seem like an outlier, but
>>> hear me out.
>>>
>>> In English, "h" is often produced by
creating a slight
>>> puff of air by bringing your vocal cords close together, but not
>>> vibrating them, and opening your lips slightly.
>>
>
>
>
> > Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
> > could even hope to answer you question sensibly.
>
> Yes... Since some of you are real linguists, i wondered if
> there's One (catch-all) category that includes H and P-B
sounds
>
>
> --- like Glides and Semivowels
>
>
> >>> Glides are those sounds that have vowel-like qualities. They
> combine with vowels and are almost always followed by a vowel. They
> literally glide into the vowel sound. When working on individual
> phonemes, we want to try to keep the vowel sound from the end of the
> sound production.
> Our glides are wh, w, and y.
>
Also.... I'm wondering if ...
normal with dakuten ( ﾞ ) with handakuten ( ﾟ )
か = ka が = ga
さ = sa ざ = za
た = ta だ = da
は = ha ば = ba ぱ = pa
THe last Row here (which connects H, B, P)
--- is this based on solid phonology(phonetics), or is Accidental ?
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