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   From: HenHanna@devnull.tb   
      
     My trusty book (paperback)  [501 French Verbs]  has  Donner (page 167)   
   and has  Subjunctives...   
      
             but i'm not seeing    Doint   
      
   Present Subjunctive   
             (donne,    donnions)   
             (donnes,   donniez)   
             (donne,    donnent)   
      
      ---- how does Tutoyer(informal)  vs. Formal work here?   
      
      
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   The verb "donner" (to give) in the present subjunctive mood has   
   different conjugations for both informal (tutoyement) and formal   
   (vouvoiement) address in French. Here's a breakdown:   
      
   Tutoyer (Informal)   
      
   Singular:   
      
   Je donne que: I give that   
   Tu donnes que: You give that   
   Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that   
      
   Plural:   
           Nous donnions que: We give that   
           Vous donniez que: You give that (formal)   
           Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that   
      
      
   Vouvoiement (Formal)   
      
   Singular:   
   Je donne que: I give that   
   Vous donniez que: You give that   
   Il/Elle/On donne que: He/She/It/One gives that   
      
   Plural:   
           Nous donnions que: We give that   
           Vous donniez que: You give that   
           Ils/Elles donnent que: They give that   
      
      
   Key Differences:   
      
   Second-person singular: The main difference lies in the second-person   
   singular conjugation. In tutoyer, it's "tu donnes," while in   
   vouvoiement, it's "vous donniez."   
      
   Third-person plural: Both tutoyer and vouvoiement use the same   
   conjugation for the third-person plural: "ils/elles donnent."   
      
      
      
   Examples:   
      
   Tutoyer:   
      
             J'espère que tu donnes de l'argent à des œuvres caritatives.   
   (I hope you give money to charity.)   
      
             Il est important que tu donnes ton avis. (It's important that   
   you give your opinion.)   
      
      
      
   Vouvoiement:   
      
            J'espère que vous donnez de l'argent à des œuvres caritatives.   
   (I hope you give money to charity.)   
      
            Il est important que vous donniez votre avis. (It's important   
   that you give your opinion.)   
      
   _________________________________   
      
      
   i hope God gives you (informal) good health   
                   -- give me this in both 1. God as Tu, 2 God as Vous   
      
      
   ________God as Tu (Informal):   
      
   J'espère que Dieu te donne la santé. (J'espère = I hope, Dieu = God, te   
   = you (informal), donne = gives, la santé = good health)   
      
      
      
   _______God as Vous (Formal):   
      
   J'espère que Dieu vous donne la santé. (J'espère = I hope, Dieu = God,   
   vous = you (formal), donne = gives, la santé = good health)   
      
      
   ____________________________________________   
   in Outdated conjugation,   
                (1)  J'espère que Dieu te doint ... and (2) ???   
      
      
   Here's the outdated conjugation for the second sentence, using "vous"   
   (formal) to address God:   
      
   Outdated Conjugation (Formal)   
      
   J'espère que Dieu vous doint la santé.   
      
      
   Breakdown:   
      
   J'espère: This remains the same as the modern French conjugation for "I   
   hope."   
      
   Dieu: This remains the same, referring to God.   
      
   vous: This is the outdated formal second-person singular pronoun,   
   equivalent to "you" in English.   
      
   doint: This is the outdated third-person singular conjugation of the   
   verb "donner" (to give) in the present subjunctive mood. It was used for   
   both informal and formal address in Old French.   
      
      
      
   Conclusion:   doint is both for God(tu) and God(vous)   
      
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