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   Athel Cornish-Bowden to Christian Weisgerber   
   Re: First National Education Association   
   02 Jul 24 17:47:50   
   
   From: me@yahoo.com   
      
   On 2024-07-02 14:06:40 +0000, Christian Weisgerber said:   
      
   > On 2024-07-02, Ross Clark  wrote:   
   >   
   >> The Spelling Bee -- unique to the English-speaking world*, a ritual   
   >   
   > I'm pretty sure there have been spelling contests on French TV.   
      
   Definitely. The late Bernard Pivot ran a very popular series of   
   progammes called Les Dicos d'Or around 30 years ago. Errors in French   
   spelling proved to depend a lot on the obscure rules of gramamatical   
   agreement that plague efforts to write in French. One episode annoyed   
   me. It was filmed in Strasbourg and one question concerned someone who   
   had taken a trip on the île. Now, anyone who doesn't know Strasbourg   
   will naturally interpret it as île. People who do know Strasbourg will   
   know that there is no island that could be relevant, and that the local   
   river is the Ill.   
      
   My recollection is that the series was inspired by a dictation   
   constructed by Prosper Mérimée in the 19th century, so the idea is far   
   from being modern.   
      
   I don't think that sort of programme would work in Spanish, where a lot   
   would depend on possibilities of confusion between b and v and between   
   y and ll. Similarly with German. (I had just one year of German at   
   school, but right from the beginning I could do a dictation with almost   
   no errors, despite not understanding what the text was saying.)   
   >   
   > Basically any language where getting from pronunciation to spelling   
   > involves a lot of ambiguity is a candidate.   
   > Thai? Chinese??   
      
   Spelling to pronunciation works well in French (much better than in   
   English), apart from a few oddities like poêle and oignon;   
   pronunciation to spelling, on the other hand, is just as bad as in   
   English.   
      
   --   
   Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly   
   in England until 1987.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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