XPost: alt.usage.english   
   From: HenHanna@devnull.tb   
      
   On 1/8/2024 11:49 AM, Antonio Marques wrote:   
   > Aidan Kehoe  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   Ar an séiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:   
   >>   
   >>   > [The "Royal" and the "and Language" were only added in the 1990s]   
   >>   >   
   >>   > Crystal sees this event as a merger of two strands:   
   >>   > "artistic" -- elocutionists, training actors and public speakers in   
   voice   
   >>   > production, and "correcting accents thought to be inferior";   
   >>   > "medical" -- dealing with such things as aphasia caused by stroke, and   
   delayed   
   >>   > speech development in children.   
   >>   > The RCST established a common standard of professional training and   
   >>   > qualifications, for the UK at least.   
   >>   >   
   >>   > PTD used to opine that all "speech therapists" were frauds and   
   charlatans,   
   >>   > apparently because he equated them with the "artistic" type, and didn't   
   >>   > believe anybody could or should be taught to speak with a different   
   accent.   
   >>   > I, on the other hand, had only run into a few of the "medical" type, who   
   >>   > were doing linguistics courses. They seemed like quite sincere and   
   >>   > well-meaning people.   
      
      
   >> In my medical work they are sensible, reliable people serving a huge   
   under-met   
   >> need. The amount of aphasia, dysphasia and dysphagia from stroke is immense   
   and   
   >> while we are getting better at preventing stroke it is unlikely that there   
   will   
   >> be any significant decrease in need for them.   
   >>   
   >> The “artistic” type; that’s a very odd opinion from PTD. Of course   
   actors will   
   >> be interested in speaking in different accents, why wouldn’t they be? I   
   seem to   
   >> remember him having difficulty believing me when I mentioned John Mahoney   
   >> (Martin Crane in “Frasier”) emigrated to the US at 18 and learned   
   American   
   >> English as an adult.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Over the years PTD has mentioned how actors and singers are professionally   
   > trained to sound according to what they need or want to. I’m not sure who   
   > does that, I know nothing about the backstage.   
   >   
   > What I’m wondering about is whether the medical kind, as you call them, are   
   > really effective in their work. But even being less than effective doesn’t   
   > mean they’re cranks.   
   >   
   > Maybe it was about some kind of ‘speech conversion therapy’ proposing to   
   > educate people away from their dialect? But I don’t know if such a thing   
   > even exists anywhere.   
   >   
      
      
   PTD...  is missed.   
      
   my biggest memories of PTD are:   
      
   1.  bad -- his ignorance of Chinese writing   
      
   2.  good..............   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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