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   From: HenHanna@devnull.tb   
      
   On 7/23/2024 3:49 PM, Ulrich D i e z wrote:   
   >   
   > HenHanna wrote:   
   >   
   >> the name  \ldots  is a bit goofy, isn't it?   
   >   
   > Without amsmath package \dots and \ldots is the same.   
   >   
   > The l in \ldots indicates that the dots are lowered to the baseline of   
   > the line of text in contrast to what you get with \cdots in mathmode   
   > where c shall indicate that dots are sort of vertically centered as they   
   > are vertically alligned with the math-axis of the line of text. The   
   > math-axis in turn is where e.g. the horizontal bar of a fraction or the   
   > horizontal bar of + or - would occur.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Within a sentence, i think i have to use it   
   >>    like this  \ldots\  Or otherwise, there'd be no space after the 3 dots.   
   >   
   > \ldots in the LaTeX kernel is defined as   
   >   
   > \DeclareRobustCommand{\dots}{%   
   >     \ifmmode\mathellipsis\else\textellipsis\fi}   
   > \let\ldots\dots   
   >   
   > \DeclareTextCommandDefault{\textellipsis}{%   
   >      .\kern\fontdimen3\font   
   >      .\kern\fontdimen3\font   
   >      .\kern\fontdimen3\font}   
   >   
   > So both between the first and the second dot and between the second and   
   > the third dot and behind the third dot you get a horizontal kern   
   > corresponding to \fontdimen3, which denotes the maximum   
   > stretchability-component of interword space.   
   >   
   >   
   >> At the end of a Sentence,  it's usually used like this, \ldots . (?)   
   >>   
   >>               or more like this below?   
   >>                                             \ldots~.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Robert Bringhurst, The Elements of Typographical Style:   
   >   
   > | 5.2.7 Use ellipses that fit the font.   
   > |   
   > | Most digital fonts now include, among other things, a prefabricated   
   > | ellipsis (a row of three baseline dots). Many typographers   
   > | nevertheless prefer to make their own. Some prefer to set the three   
   > | dots flush … with a normal word space before and after. Others prefer   
   > | . . . to add thin spaces between the dots. Thick spaces (á´   
   /3) are   
   > | prescribed by the Chicago Manual of Style, but these are another   
   > | Victorian eccentricity. In most contexts, the Chicago ellipsis is much   
   > | too wide.   
   > |   
   > | Flush-set ellipses work well with some faces, but in text work they   
   > | are usually too narrow. Especially at small sizes, it is generally   
   > | better to add space (as much as á´   
   /5) between the dots. Extra space   
   > | may also look best in the midst of light, open letterforms, such as   
   > | Baskerville, and less space in the company of a dark font, just as   
   > | Trajanus, or when setting in bold face. (The ellipsis generally used   
   > | in this book is part of the font and sets as a single character.)   
   > |   
   > | In English (but usually not in French), when the ellipsis occurs at   
   > | the end of a sentence, a fourth dot, the period, is added and the   
   > | space at the beginning of the ellipsis disappears. . . . When the   
   > | ellipsis combines with a comma, exclamation mark or question mark, the   
   > | same typographical principle applies. Otherwise, a word space is   
   > | required fore and aft. When it combines with other punctuation, in (as   
   > | it always does at the end of a sentence) the ellipsis, in English, is   
   > | also punctuation. On its own, it is a graphic word. The kerning table   
   > | must include it and the glyphs it sits next to.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely   
   >   
   > Ulrich   
      
      
   wow.... in French (at the end of a Sentence),  there's only 3 dots???   
      
   Chekcing my copy of [Le Petit Prince]  --- that's exactly so!!! . . .   
   and the 3 dots are  . . .  spaced  far apart . . . than in English . . .   
                                the book ends with 3 dots   .  .  .  as:   
      
                       ................... qu'il est  re-   
                                           venu  .  .  .   
      
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   thank you...  i still think  the name is goofy...   
   i think the earliest Lisp (Maclisp?)  had   similar ad-hoc names   
   like  princ, prin1,  prog1, prog2, progn, mapcan, mapc, .....   
                         the BEST example  may be nconc.   
      
      
   it's not goofy if it's really from  Lower(ed).   
            ----------   i thought    L    came from  Ellipsis.   
      
      
      
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