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   Snidely to All   
   Re: Somewheres   
   04 Sep 24 19:06:33   
   
   XPost: alt.usage.english   
   From: snidely.too@gmail.com   
      
   Christian Weisgerber suggested that ...   
   > On 2024-09-02, Christian Weisgerber  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Have you ever wondered why the third person plural present tense   
   >> forms of Italian verbs are so strangely stressed, e.g., pārlano   
   >> instead of *parlāno?  And where is that -o from anyway?   
   >   
   > So that was an example where something was added at the end of   
   > words.  I don't intend this as an invalidation of the general   
   > observation that there is a longtime trend of phonetic erosion, but   
   > I want to show that actual language history is complex and circuitous.   
   >   
   > Here's another one.  From the King James Version, you may be familiar   
   > with the second person singular indicative ending -(e)st (-t in   
   > some verbs), "thou thinkest" etc.  German also has -st across the   
   > second person singular.  Clearly, -st is an old 2SG marker...   
   >   
   > ... Except, Slavic has -¨ there.  Latin, not a language to drop final   
   > -t, has -s.  Even Gothic has -s, and if you look at the variants   
   > in early Old English and Old High German, the original 2SG ending   
   > is also -s.   
   >   
   > Where did the -t come from?  There are two hypotheses.  One, dismissed   
   > by Ringe (and I'm skeptical as well), is from missegmentation when   
   > the subject pronoun (tu ~ ūu) followed the verb.  The other involves   
   > the appearance of -s-t due to sound changes in some preterite-present   
   > verbs, reanalysis as -st, and spread to other verbs.  Remarkably,   
   > this appears to have happened independently in both English and   
   > German.   
      
   I relate all this discussion to what Charlton Laird (sr, IIRC)   
   considered two fundamental principles of language change:   
      
   1)  People are lazy, leading to simplification.   
   2)  People are inventive, leading to new words and new constructions.   
      
      
   /dps   
      
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