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   On Thursday, J. J. Lodder pointed out that ...   
   > occam  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 19/09/2024 06:59, Aidan Kehoe wrote:   
   >>> Another one that stuck for me was "metic", "resident foreigner in a   
   >>> Greek city state," apparently not related to meticulous.   
   >>   
   >> Try 'hermetic' as a related concept. A 'foreigner' in ancient Greek was   
   >> someone from another city state, even if that was a city in Greece.   
   >> 'Greece' did not become an entity until much later.   
   >   
   > Depends on what you want 'entity' to mean.   
   > Those ancient Greeks certainly saw themselves as a cultural entity,   
   > with a shared language and culture. This extended to 'Greater Greece'.   
   > It was only the narrow sense of a political entity that was   
   > inconceivable to them,   
   >   
   > Jan   
      
   I have a better sense of how Egypt came to be a cultural entity than I   
   do for Greece.  On the one hand, the political development of the   
   winning Pharoahs is easy to read about; on the other, my histories of   
   Greece generally begin with the last king of Athens and the rise of the   
   early democracy, which seems to be well after there were several   
   city-states that considered themselves to be Greek.   
      
   /dps   
      
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