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   On 2024-11-15, Aidan Kehoe wrote:   
      
   >   
   >  Ar an cúigiú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Adam Funk:   
   >   
   > > On 2024-11-15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > On 2024-11-15 10:20:14 +0000, Ross Clark said:   
   > > ...   
   > > >> So the RP accent became known as "BBC English". The Advisory Committee   
   > > >> on Spoken English was set up in 1926 to provide approved pronunciations   
   > > >> for new words and foreign names, and as an authority to support news   
   > > >> readers against the inevitable complaints. A fascinating body in which   
   > > >> both Daniel Jones and George Bernard Shaw were involved.   
   > > >   
   > > > My recollection is that John Reith spoke as you'd expect a Scottish   
   > > > Calvinist to speak, but he insisted that people who spoke on the   
   > > > wireless ("radio" was lower class) should speak RP.   
   > >   
   > > I know Scottish accents vary regionally, but by religion? Or are   
   > > Calvinists, Episcopalians, & Roman Catholics very unevenly distributed   
   > > geographically?   
   >   
   > I read Athel’s phrasing as describing someone with a) a Scottish accent   
   who b)   
   > may occasionally be wrong but is never uncertain. (As the adage puts it about   
   > surgeons.)   
      
   Aha! That makes more sense than my interpretation.   
      
      
   > There are some Church of Ireland accents in the Republic of Ireland; Leo   
   > Varadkar, the former taoiseach, has one of them, from his time in a Church of   
   > Ireland secondary school.   
   >   
   > I assert that there are some people native to rural areas of the west of   
   > Northern Ireland where I can hear much more Irish in their prosody and pitch   
   > than is usual for NI, and those people have Irish surnames and are usually of   
   > Catholic religious identity, but to my knowledge that hasn’t been studied.   
   >   
   > In NI for most people, most of the time, you can’t tell from their speech   
   > unless the name of the letter H comes up.   
   >   
   > I can’t comment on corresponding variation within Scotland.   
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