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   From: naddy@mips.inka.de   
      
   On 2025-03-02, Peter Moylan  wrote:   
      
   > Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.   
      
   I thought Trump was performing for his supporters and it was well   
   received in those quarters.   
      
   Igor Girkin[1], of all people, has an astute take:   
      
     Overall, I disagree with the assessment of this meeting and its   
     outcome as presented by our media. On our television, they claimed   
     that Trump and Vance harshly humiliated Zelensky. However, I   
     believe that it was Zelensky who utterly humiliated Trump and   
     Vance in front of the central American media and all of America.   
     When Trump, in his characteristically boorish cowboy manner, tried   
     to demean Zelensky in the Oval Office of the White House, he ended   
     up with the exact opposite result.   
      
     Not only did Zelensky refuse the deal that Trump already considered   
     as good as in his pocket—a deal he could have presented to his   
     voters and all U.S. citizens as his first major foreign policy   
     success-but he effectively turned the tables. In fact, Trump faced   
     direct and demonstrative defiance from someone he regarded, at   
     best, as a servant, or more likely as some sort of "white native,"   
     whose opinion doesn't matter and who is expected to bow on command   
     to the "big white sahib" as much and in whatever way the latter   
     pleases.   
      
     Zelensky demonstrated that the elites in Europe and the U.S.   
     supporting him are strong enough to oppose Trump, at least on   
     this level. Of course, Donald will never forgive Zelensky for   
     this—absolutely never. The question, however, is different: what   
     can he do about it? And the answer is, not much.   
      
   https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3ljext3mkhk2p   
      
      
   [1] Russian ultranationalist, involved in Russia's invasion of   
       Donbas in 2014, convicted of shooting down MH17, currently   
       languishing in a Russian prison because of his strident criticism   
       of the Russian leadership and Putin personally for half-assing   
       the invasion of Ukraine.   
   --   
   Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de   
      
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