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   Daud Deden  posted:   
      
   > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:11:08 AM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:   
   > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:07:03 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:   
   > > > Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:45:38 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden   
   > > >  scribeva:   
   > > > >On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38?PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:   
   > > > >> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:   
   > > > >> > Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)   
   > > > >> >   
   > > > >> > Not correct.   
   > > > >> What's not correct?   
   > > > >> > synovial (adj.)   
   > > > >> > 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by   
   certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by   
   Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.   
   > > > >> >   
   > > > >> > syn- [ xyuamb, sum]   
   > > > >> > word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the   
   same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.)   
   "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with"   
   (source also of Russian    
   so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to   
   sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.   
   > > > >> >   
   > > > >> No,no,no.   
   > > > >> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with   
   > > > >> the English word.   
   > > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD#Declension_3 calls   
   > > > it irregular, not archaic.   
   > > > >Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no   
   mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the   
   original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or   
   invented.   
   > > > >I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.   
   > > > --   
   > > > Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com   
   > > Etymology   
   > >   
   > > u-stem derivation from the root *sewH- (“to give birth”), thus the   
   original meaning being "birth, fruit of the body". Tocharian, Greek and   
   Armenian reflect the -yu- derivation from the same root: *suHyús. Sanskrit   
   सूषा (sūṣā́, “   
   parturient woman”) and Albanian gjysh (< Proto-Albanian *sūšā) derived   
   from later variation *suHsós.   
   > >   
   > > Noun   
   > > *suh₁nús or *suh₃nús m[1]   
   > > son   
   > >   
   > > -   
   > > Cognate with 'issue'?   
   > > Xyua(mbuatl) through, threw, in parallel with Malay bua(h/t/ng)   
   fruit-fert/make/throw out-parturate (xyuam)buatl   
   >   
   > Compare *sewH- birthing with *tewh- swelling and to endu/endo,   
   Theo/Deu/tue.sday, xyua- opening of dome hut   
      
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