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DDeden posted:
>
> Rich Ulrich posted:
>
> > On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 15:39:20 -0400, Tony Cooper
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 18:36:10 +0200, Steve Hayes
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:17:55 +0100, Janet wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> Cradle boards and other child carriers used by Native Americans are
known by
> > >>>> various names. In Algonquin history, the term papoose is sometimes
used to
> > >>>> refer to a child carrier.?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Given I am 43 and fairly well-read I can assert that it has basically
no
> > >>>> currency outside the US.
> > >>>
> > >>> The native-American "papoose" back-board child carrier
> > >>>was known to me in early childhood (and probably every
> > >>>other kid enthralled by "Cowboys and Indians".
> > >>>
> > >>> When we had children I rediscovered it all over again
> > >>>thanks to Mothercare. We had a baby back carrier called a
> > >>>papoose.
> > >>
> > >>So it seems that people within the US understand "papoose" as
> > >>referring to a child, and outside the US it refers to a child holder?
> > >
> > >
> > >Please...write "some people".
> > >
> > >If I see an (American) Indian with a baby in a carrier strapped to her
> > >back, I would describe that as a woman with a papoose.
> > >
> > >However, if she removes the baby from the carrier and puts the baby on
> > >a blanket on the ground, I would not say the baby is a "papoose".
> >
> > I thought that the baby would stay in the carrier when laid on
> > the ground. I thought they followed the baby-handling tradition
> > of keeping them bound up.
> >
> > I had not ever been challenged with an Indian baby on the
> > loose, and someone looking for a word to describe them.
> >
> > From the earlier discussion, I conclude that only the bound
> > baby is a papoose.
>
> As I understand it, the baby in the papoose (porter?) was backstrapped to
the parent, and for a rest it was hung on a branch or tilted against a tree
trunk not laid flat on the ground except to change the moss/diaper.
Algonquin: papoose = child?
Boy. Mukkutchouks
Girl. Nunksqua
Infant, or child. Mukkie
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[Algonquin English translator]
Baby. Ninige
Child Ninigo
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[Proto-Algonquin English translator]
Child. awaᐧsi- na
Child niᐧ
yaᐧna na
Cree awaᐧsis child
Ojibwe awaᐧsišš child
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Waboose. baby rabbit
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child (a youth) : [Swadesh]
abinoojiinh (Ojibwa Algonquin)
pookáá (Blackfoot Algonquin)
mimëns (Munsee Lenape Algonquin).
eksà:'a (Mohawk Iroquois)
ayoli (Cherokee Iroquois)
nakatsek (Nataway Iroquois)
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