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DDeden posted:
>
> Ross Clark posted:
>
> > On 9/08/2025 6:13 a.m., DDeden wrote:
> > >
> > > DDeden posted:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Rich Ulrich posted:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 15:39:20 -0400, Tony Cooper
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 18:36:10 +0200, Steve Hayes
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:17:55 +0100, Janet wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Cradle boards and other child carriers used by Native Americans
are known by
> > >>>>>>> various names. In Algonquin history, the term papoose is sometimes
used to
> > >>>>>>> refer to a child carrier.?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Given I am 43 and fairly well-read I can assert that it has
basically no
> > >>>>>>> currency outside the US.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The native-American "papoose" back-board child carrier
> > >>>>>> was known to me in early childhood (and probably every
> > >>>>>> other kid enthralled by "Cowboys and Indians".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> When we had children I rediscovered it all over again
> > >>>>>> thanks to Mothercare. We had a baby back carrier called a
> > >>>>>> papoose.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So it seems that people within the US understand "papoose" as
> > >>>>> referring to a child, and outside the US it refers to a child holder?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please...write "some people".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If I see an (American) Indian with a baby in a carrier strapped to her
> > >>>> back, I would describe that as a woman with a papoose.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However, if she removes the baby from the carrier and puts the baby on
> > >>>> a blanket on the ground, I would not say the baby is a "papoose".
> > >>>
> > >>> I thought that the baby would stay in the carrier when laid on
> > >>> the ground. I thought they followed the baby-handling tradition
> > >>> of keeping them bound up.
> > >>>
> > >>> I had not ever been challenged with an Indian baby on the
> > >>> loose, and someone looking for a word to describe them.
> > >>>
> > >>> From the earlier discussion, I conclude that only the bound
> > >>> baby is a papoose.
> > >>
> > >> As I understand it, the baby in the papoose (porter?) was backstrapped
to the parent, and for a rest it was hung on a branch or tilted against a tree
trunk not laid flat on the ground except to change the moss/diaper.
> > >
> > > Wikipedia claims that papoose meant child. Other Algonquin words for
child are not similar to papoose.
> > >
> > > Algonquin: papoose = child?
> >
> > It's certainly not general Algonquian. Bright refers to its appearance
> > in a vocabulary of 1643, which almost certainly means Roger Williams' _A
> > Key into the Language of America_, and the language is Naragansett.
> >
>
> Under Wikipedia Massachusett Pidgin English, I found some support:
> pappoose,[14] 'baby.' Possibly from Narragansett pappoòs. Massachusett form
is papeiss[25] (pâpeewees})[26] /paːpiːwiːs/}. Compare Mohegan-Pequot
pápohs /paːpuːhs/.[27]
>
> 27 papohs. (2012). Fielding, S. Mohegan Dictionary. Mohegan Tribe
>
> Seems certain then, papoose was indeed baby, not cradleboard.
>
Cite at Mohegan Pequot dictionary
páhpohs, NA child, baby
plural páhpohsak locative páhpohsuk
Nuwiktamumun yo natawahuwôk, wipi côci nupásawômun páhpohs i nikun:
We have enjoyed this visit, but we must take our baby home.
>
> > > Boy. Mukkutchouks
> > > Girl. Nunksqua
> > > Infant, or child. Mukkie
> > > Viewing page 7 of 20 for project 8323 | Smithsonian Digital Volunteers
https://share.google/9b13kDhSL8K33p4cB
> > > ---
> > > [Algonquin English translator]
> > > Baby. Ninige
> > > Child Ninigo
> > > ---
> > > [Proto-Algonquin English translator]
> > > Child. awaᐧsi- na
> > > Child niᐧ
yaᐧna na
> > > Cree awaᐧsis child
> > > Ojibwe awaᐧsišš child
> > > ---
> > > Waboose. baby rabbit
> > > ---
> > > child (a youth) [Swadesh list]
> > >
> > > abinoojiinh (Ojibwa Algonquin)
> > > pookáá (Blackfoot Algonquin)
> > > mimëns (Munsee Lenape Algonquin).
> > > eksà:'a (Mohawk Iroquois)
> > > ayoli (Cherokee Iroquois)
> > > nakatseke (Nataway Iroquois)
> > > ---
> > >
> > > 5ka baby carriers in Germany with dog teeth decoration
> > >
> > > https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/5-000-year-old-bur
als-in-germany-hold-3-women-with-bedazzled-baby-carriers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If we go back much further in time, toddlers were piggyback riding on
their parent's backs, with fingers and toes grasping scalp hair for anchorage.
> > >
> >
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