Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"
|    sci.lang    |    Natural languages, communication, etc    |    297,461 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 297,385 of 297,461    |
|    olcott to Richard Damon    |
|    Re: Proof theoretic semantics based halt    |
|    01 Feb 26 12:36:13    |
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math   
   XPost: comp.lang.prolog, comp.software-eng   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 2/1/2026 12:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 2/1/26 12:35 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 2/1/2026 6:11 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>> On 1/31/26 12:49 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>> Source code of fully operational system   
   >>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c   
   >>>>   
   >>>> int DD()   
   >>>> {   
   >>>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);   
   >>>> if (Halt_Status)   
   >>>> HERE: goto HERE;   
   >>>> return Halt_Status;   
   >>>> }   
   >>>>   
   >>>> HHH simulates DD step-by-step according to   
   >>>> the semantics of the C programming language.   
   >>>   
   >>> IT CAN'T, as you have been told, as your above program, without the C   
   >>> CODE for HHH, has undefined behavior by the semantics of the C   
   >>> programming language.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> HHH correctly determines that DD does not have a well-founded   
   >>>> justification tree within Proof theoretic semantics.   
   >>>   
   >>> But only because your DD is not a well-formed program because you   
   >>> fail to include the code for all the program.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> What the f-ck do you think this is? Sheep Dip ?   
   >> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c   
   >   
   > Which wasn't in the input you talked about.   
      
   Has the source of HHH that you incorrectly   
   said was missing.   
      
   >   
   > If you include Halt7.c as your input, then your HHH is now also defined,   
   > and since it doesn't do what you said it does, your analysis is based on   
   > lying.   
   >   
   > Note, this input CAN'T be the version you are talking about, as your HHH   
   > doesn't see "C" code, so can't interprete its input per the C language.   
   >   
   > All you are doing is PROVING that you have forgotten what Truth means,   
   > and are just as stupid and ignorant pathological liar.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> And the reason its behavior isn't "well-founded" is because you   
   >>> failed to include the actual code for HHH. If you do, and that code   
   >>> happens to abort its simulation and returns non-halting, then it is   
   >>> well founded that DD will halt.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When HHH is construed as a proof theoretic halting prover   
   >>>> HHH detects the pathological-self-reference of its input and   
   >>>> rejects DD as non-well-founded on this basis.   
   >>>   
   >>> Because your input is just garbage, because you never understood what   
   >>> you were talking abouyt,   
   >>>   
   >>> The problem is you think lying is valid logic.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> % This sentence is not true.   
   >>>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)).   
   >>>> LP = not(true(LP)).   
   >>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))).   
   >>>> false.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Liar Paradox is formally rejected by Prolog   
   >>>> occurs_check for this same reason.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> occurs_check correctly determines that LP does not   
   >>>> have a well-founded justification tree within Proof   
   >>>> theoretic semantics.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Which is just irrelevent here, as DD doesn't "call" itself.   
   >>>   
   >>> Sorry, you are just proving you are just a pathological liar.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
      
      
   --   
   Copyright 2026 Olcott
|
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca