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   olcott to Tristan Wibberley   
   =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Rejecting_expressions_of   
   16 Nov 25 18:52:32   
   
   XPost: comp.theory   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/16/2025 1:11 PM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:   
   > On 16/11/2025 01:29, olcott wrote:   
   >> G ↔ ¬Prov(⌜G⌝)   
   >> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence   
   >> 00 ↔               01 02   
   >> 01 G   
   >> 02 ¬               03   
   >> 03 Prov            04   
   >> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01  // cycle   
   >   
   >   
   > I would argue that ⊢ G := ¬Prov(⌜G⌝) is not a theorem. Before you find   
   > that a value of G exists (so that you may evaluate G) you must first   
   > find that the statement defining G is a theorem.   
   >   
      
   https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/#FirIncTheCom   
   It is the G sentence of the first incompleteness theorem.   
      
   ?- G = not(provable(F, G)).   
   G = not(provable(F, G)).   
      
   ?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).   
   false.   
      
   It has a cycle proving that it cannot be resolved   
   because it remains stuck in an infinite loop.   
      
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