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|    Mikko to All    |
|    Re: Rejecting expressions of formal lang    |
|    27 Nov 25 10:17:10    |
      XPost: comp.theory       From: mikko.levanto@iki.fi              olcott kirjoitti 26.11.2025 klo 17.20:       > On 11/26/2025 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote:       >> olcott kirjoitti 14.11.2025 klo 16.49:       >>> On 11/14/2025 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>> On 2025-11-14 00:56:17 +0000, Tristan Wibberley said:       >>>>       >>>>> On 13/11/2025 09:05, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>> On 2025-11-12 14:45:34 +0000, olcott said:       >>>>>>       >>>>>>> ... formalized in Minimal       >>>>>>> Type Theory as LP := ~True(LP).       >>>>>>> (where A := B means A is defined as B).       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> https://philpapers.org/rec/OLCREO       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> Can someone review my actual reasoning       >>>>>>> elaborated in the paper?       >>>>>>       >>>>>> If you want to use the term "formal language" you must prove that       >>>>>> there is a Turing machine that can determine whether a string is a       >>>>>> valid sentence of your language. If no such Turing machine exists       >>>>>> you have no justifiction for the use of the word "formal".       >>>>>       >>>>> It looks, at a glance, like his system has no theorems with loops in       >>>>> them. The system is "safe" and very small.       >>>>       >>>> It does not look small. It seems to have very many postulates, perhaps       >>>> infinitely many. The intent is that it be complete so it probably is       >>>> only paraconsistent or perhaps even inconsistent.       >>>>       >>>       >>> My system rejects expressions of language that cannot       >>> possibly be resolved to a truth value because they have       >>> pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004)       >>>       >>> G ↔ ¬Prov(⌜G⌝)       >>       >> That can be evaluated ir sufficient defitions are given. In particular,       >       > Directed Graph of evaluation sequence       > 00 ↔ 01 02       > 01 G       > 02 ¬ 03       > 03 Prov 04       > 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle       >       > ?- G = not(provable(F, G)).       > G = not(provable(F, G)).       > ?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).       > false.       >       > You do not understand the deep meaning of       > unify_with_occurs_check()              That you need to lie about other people indicates that you are not sure       whether what you say is true but you want anyway that others believe it.              Of course I do understand the meaning of unify_with_occurs_check/2. It       unifies two data structures if they can be unified without creating a       loop that is not already in at least one of the structures to be       unified, or fails if a new loop would be created or the structures       cannot be unified.                     For example,               unify_with_occurs_check(G, provable(G)).              fails because it would produce a loop but               H = provable(H), unify_with_occurs_check(X, H).              succeeds because the loop in X is already in H.                     All of which is of course irrelevant to anything in my previous message.              --       Mikko              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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