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|    olcott to Mikko    |
|    Re: Rejecting expressions of formal lang    |
|    28 Nov 25 09:21:03    |
      XPost: comp.theory       From: polcott333@gmail.com              On 11/28/2025 2:40 AM, Mikko wrote:       > olcott kirjoitti 27.11.2025 klo 17.48:       >> On 11/27/2025 2:17 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>> olcott kirjoitti 26.11.2025 klo 17.20:       >>>> On 11/26/2025 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>>> olcott kirjoitti 14.11.2025 klo 16.49:       >>>>>> On 11/14/2025 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>>> On 2025-11-14 00:56:17 +0000, Tristan Wibberley said:       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> On 13/11/2025 09:05, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-12 14:45:34 +0000, olcott said:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> ... formalized in Minimal       >>>>>>>>>> Type Theory as LP := ~True(LP).       >>>>>>>>>> (where A := B means A is defined as B).       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> https://philpapers.org/rec/OLCREO       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Can someone review my actual reasoning       >>>>>>>>>> elaborated in the paper?       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> If you want to use the term "formal language" you must prove that       >>>>>>>>> there is a Turing machine that can determine whether a string is a       >>>>>>>>> valid sentence of your language. If no such Turing machine exists       >>>>>>>>> you have no justifiction for the use of the word "formal".       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> It looks, at a glance, like his system has no theorems with       >>>>>>>> loops in       >>>>>>>> them. The system is "safe" and very small.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> It does not look small. It seems to have very many postulates,       >>>>>>> perhaps       >>>>>>> infinitely many. The intent is that it be complete so it probably is       >>>>>>> only paraconsistent or perhaps even inconsistent.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>> My system rejects expressions of language that cannot       >>>>>> possibly be resolved to a truth value because they have       >>>>>> pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004)       >>>>>>       >>>>>> G ↔ ¬Prov(⌜G⌝)       >>>>>       >>>>> That can be evaluated ir sufficient defitions are given. In       >>>>> particular,       >>>>       >>>> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence       >>>> 00 ↔ 01 02       >>>> 01 G       >>>> 02 ¬ 03       >>>> 03 Prov 04       >>>> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle       >>>>       >>>> ?- G = not(provable(F, G)).       >>>> G = not(provable(F, G)).       >>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).       >>>> false.       >>>>       >>>> You do not understand the deep meaning of       >>>> unify_with_occurs_check()       >>>       >>> That you need to lie about other people indicates that you are not sure       >>> whether what you say is true but you want anyway that others believe it.       >>>       >>> Of course I do understand the meaning of unify_with_occurs_check/2. It       >>       >>       >> That is not what I said. I said the deep meaning       >       > There is no deep meaning that is not a part of the meaning.       >              That the directly graph of the evaluation sequence       of a formal expression contains a cycle              LP := ~True(LP)       that expands to ~True(~True(~True(~True(~True(~True(...))))))       means that it is semantically unsound.                     --       Copyright 2025 Olcott              My 28 year goal has been to make       "true on the basis of meaning" computable.              This required establishing a new foundation       for correct reasoning.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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