XPost: comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy, sci.math   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/28/2025 12:24 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:   
   > olcott  wrote:   
   >> On 11/28/2025 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:   
   >>> [ Followup-To: set ]   
   >   
   >>> In comp.theory olcott  wrote:   
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   >>> [ .... ]   
   >   
   >>>> individual means one.   
   >>>> a group of individuals is not one individual   
   >   
   >>> A group of sheep is a flock.   
   >   
   >>> A group of cells is a plant or animal.   
   >   
   >>> A group of stars is a galaxy.   
   >   
   >>> A group of musicians is an orchestra.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Yet none of these things are individuals they are all sets.   
   >   
   > Are you saying that an animal, say a cat, is not an individual?  If so,   
   > you are surely mistaken.   
   >   
      
   Do you pay any attention at all before   
   you artificially contrive a baseless rebuttal ???   
      
   A group of things is equivalent to a set of things   
   and is never the same thing as one element of this set.   
      
   > The same applies to a flock, a galaxy, or an orchestra.  They all have   
   > emergent properties that the individual constituents lack.   
   >   
   > Further examples: a newsgroup consists of posters, but its properties can   
   > not be deduced from those of the individual posters.  A motor car is a   
   > group of components, similarly.   
   >   
   > If you make a survey of important things in your life, most of them will   
   > be groupings of component things.  So the naive assumption that there are   
   > individuals and groups, and the two things are "of different type"   
   > doesn't seem to be true or have relevance in normal life.   
   >   
      
   An element of a set is never this same set.   
   Have you ever heard of ZFC ???   
      
   >> --   
   >> Copyright 2025 Olcott   
   >   
   >> My 28 year goal has been to make   
   >> "true on the basis of meaning" computable.   
   >   
   >> This required establishing a new foundation   
   >> for correct reasoning.   
   >   
      
      
   --   
   Copyright 2025 Olcott   
      
   My 28 year goal has been to make   
   "true on the basis of meaning" computable.   
      
   This required establishing a new foundation   
   for correct reasoning.   
      
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