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|    olcott to Mikko    |
|    Re: Rejecting expressions of formal lang    |
|    29 Nov 25 12:01:47    |
      XPost: comp.theory       From: polcott333@gmail.com              On 11/29/2025 4:31 AM, Mikko wrote:       > olcott kirjoitti 28.11.2025 klo 17.21:       >> On 11/28/2025 2:40 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>> olcott kirjoitti 27.11.2025 klo 17.48:       >>>> On 11/27/2025 2:17 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>>> olcott kirjoitti 26.11.2025 klo 17.20:       >>>>>> On 11/26/2025 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 14.11.2025 klo 16.49:       >>>>>>>> On 11/14/2025 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-14 00:56:17 +0000, Tristan Wibberley said:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> On 13/11/2025 09:05, Mikko wrote:       >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-12 14:45:34 +0000, olcott said:       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> ... formalized in Minimal       >>>>>>>>>>>> Type Theory as LP := ~True(LP).       >>>>>>>>>>>> (where A := B means A is defined as B).       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> https://philpapers.org/rec/OLCREO       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone review my actual reasoning       >>>>>>>>>>>> elaborated in the paper?       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to use the term "formal language" you must prove       >>>>>>>>>>> that       >>>>>>>>>>> there is a Turing machine that can determine whether a string       >>>>>>>>>>> is a       >>>>>>>>>>> valid sentence of your language. If no such Turing machine       >>>>>>>>>>> exists       >>>>>>>>>>> you have no justifiction for the use of the word "formal".       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> It looks, at a glance, like his system has no theorems with       >>>>>>>>>> loops in       >>>>>>>>>> them. The system is "safe" and very small.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> It does not look small. It seems to have very many postulates,       >>>>>>>>> perhaps       >>>>>>>>> infinitely many. The intent is that it be complete so it       >>>>>>>>> probably is       >>>>>>>>> only paraconsistent or perhaps even inconsistent.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> My system rejects expressions of language that cannot       >>>>>>>> possibly be resolved to a truth value because they have       >>>>>>>> pathological self-reference(Olcott 2004)       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> G ↔ ¬Prov(⌜G⌝)       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> That can be evaluated ir sufficient defitions are given. In       >>>>>>> particular,       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence       >>>>>> 00 ↔ 01 02       >>>>>> 01 G       >>>>>> 02 ¬ 03       >>>>>> 03 Prov 04       >>>>>> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle       >>>>>>       >>>>>> ?- G = not(provable(F, G)).       >>>>>> G = not(provable(F, G)).       >>>>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(G, not(provable(F, G))).       >>>>>> false.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> You do not understand the deep meaning of       >>>>>> unify_with_occurs_check()       >>>>>       >>>>> That you need to lie about other people indicates that you are not       >>>>> sure       >>>>> whether what you say is true but you want anyway that others       >>>>> believe it.       >>>>>       >>>>> Of course I do understand the meaning of unify_with_occurs_check/2. It       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> That is not what I said. I said the deep meaning       >>>       >>> There is no deep meaning that is not a part of the meaning.       >>>       >>       >> That the directly graph of the evaluation sequence       >> of a formal expression contains a cycle       >>       >> LP := ~True(LP)       >> that expands to ~True(~True(~True(~True(~True(~True(...))))))       >> means that it is semantically unsound.       >       > Irrelevant to the fact that there is no deep meaning that is not a part       > of the meaning.       >       > Also irrelevant the meaning and deep meaning of the library predicate       > unify_with_occurs_check/2.       >              unify_with_occurs_check() does not mean only the       Prolog doesn't like it. It means that Prolog has       proved that it is semantically unsound.              --       Copyright 2025 Olcott              My 28 year goal has been to make       "true on the basis of meaning" computable.              This required establishing a new foundation       for correct reasoning.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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