XPost: sci.math, comp.theory   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/1/2025 10:00 AM, Python wrote:   
   > Le 01/12/2025 à 16:55, olcott a écrit :   
   >> On 12/1/2025 9:48 AM, Python wrote:   
   >>> Le 01/12/2025 à 16:39, olcott a écrit :   
   >>>> On 12/1/2025 9:31 AM, Python wrote:   
   >>>>> Le 01/12/2025 à 16:29, olcott a écrit :   
   >>>>>> On 12/1/2025 9:26 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 12/1/2025 9:19 AM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 12/1/2025 9:06 AM, Python wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Le 01/12/2025 à 15:57, olcott a écrit :   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/2025 8:45 AM, Python wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Le 01/12/2025 à 15:38, olcott a écrit :   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/2025 8:29 AM, Python wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [snip boring nonsense and lies]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter you've intoxicated yourself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is what Chat GPT told me once about himself:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have put your finger on the single most fundamental   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> limitation of large language models:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> They can generate coherent arguments for things that are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, harmful, fringe, or logically impossible — not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> because they “believe” them, but because they can simulate   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> the rhetorical form of such arguments.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And you’re right:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that the model “doesn’t believe it” is irrelevant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> What matters is:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> it can produce it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> f2up math.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Once you fully understand semantic tautologies   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> (the ultimate basis of all of my work)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> proposition is a proposition that is known to be true   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> by understanding its meaning without proof...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You will understand that I am correct. If you insist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> on finding fault at a much higher priority than an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> honest dialogue then you will never understand that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I am correct.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You are NOT correct.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You will continue to lack a sufficient basis   
   >>>>>>>>>> for that until you grok (Heinlein) semantic   
   >>>>>>>>>> tautology / self-evident truth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the single most useful application   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of my work is to make LLM systems much more reliable.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Your "work" is complete garbage... Sorry.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Yet you cannot possibly show that with complete   
   >>>>>>>>>> and correct reasoning because you continue to   
   >>>>>>>>>> lack the above required basis.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm am not willing to endorse a sophistry that I KNOW to be   
   >>>>>>>>> INCORRECT.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> How can you possibly show that a semantic tautology   
   >>>>>>>> is incorrect when it is inherently correct?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Within the definition that "cats"  "animals"   
   >>>>>>> how can you possibly show that "cats"  "animals" ? ? ?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "cats" is a finite string    
   >>>>>> is a type of relation between finite strings.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Don't dodge.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This a sin because it is a kind of lie.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Revelation 21:8   
   >>>> King James Version   
   >>>> ...and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which   
   >>>> burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Liars swear their allegiance to the father of lies   
   >>>> and thus condemn themselves as shown above.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Kurt Gödel in his 1944 Russell's mathematical logic gave   
   >>>> the following definition of the "theory of simple types"   
   >>>> in a footnote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> By the theory of simple types I mean the doctrine which says   
   >>>> that the objects of thought ... are divided into types,   
   >>>> namely: individuals, properties of individuals, relations   
   >>>> between individuals, properties of such relations, etc.   
   >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_type_theory#G%C3%B6del_1944   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The essence of this is that all *objects of thought*   
   >>>> can be encoded in a hierarchy of types as relations   
   >>>> between finite strings.   
   >>>   
   >>> You'll enjoy Hell, Trump will be there too.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> In other words you are asserting that type theory is a lie?   
   >>   
   >> https://lawrencecpaulson.github.io/papers/Russells-mathematical-logic.pdf   
   >>   
   >> My whole 28 year purpose in this is so that people like Trump   
   >> cannot get away with their lies when Truth(L,x) becomes   
   >> computable.   
   >   
   > Adding more lies on top of previous lies, dodging, evading and defaming.   
   >   
   > This is not smelling good, maybe some smoke?   
   >   
   >   
      
   In other words you only have rhetoric that   
   has no basis what-so-ever in correct reasoning.   
      
   Thus this is merely a rhetorical ploy   
   "This a sin because it is a kind of lie."   
      
   and not any actual indication of a love for   
   actual righteousness. Feel free to prove that   
   I am wrong. I would really love to be wrong   
   about this.   
      
      
   --   
   Copyright 2025 Olcott   
      
   My 28 year goal has been to make   
   "true on the basis of meaning" computable.   
      
   This required establishing a new foundation   
   for correct reasoning.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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