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   Message 261,748 of 262,912   
   olcott to Mikko   
   Re: A new category of thought   
   07 Dec 25 09:03:31   
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.math   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/7/2025 4:42 AM, Mikko wrote:   
   > olcott kirjoitti 6.12.2025 klo 14.33:   
   >> On 12/6/2025 2:53 AM, Mikko wrote:   
   >>> olcott kirjoitti 5.12.2025 klo 19.30:   
   >>>> On 12/5/2025 2:57 AM, Mikko wrote:   
   >>>>> olcott kirjoitti 2.12.2025 klo 17.26:   
   >>>>>> On 12/2/2025 3:49 AM, Mikko wrote:   
   >>>>>>> dbush kirjoitti 29.11.2025 klo 20.19:   
   >>>>>>>> On 11/29/2025 1:07 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 11/29/2025 11:53 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-29, olcott  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Any expression of language that is proven true entirely   
   >>>>>>>>>>> on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> a semantic tautology.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> A tautology is an expression of logic which is true for all   
   >>>>>>>>>> combinations of the truth values of its variables and   
   >>>>>>>>>> propositions,   
   >>>>>>>>>> which is, of course, regardless of what they mean/represent.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I did not say tautology. I said semantic tautology.   
   >>>>>>>>> I am defining a new thing under the Sun.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> *Semantic tautology is stipulated to mean*   
   >>>>>>>>> Any expression of language that is proven true entirely   
   >>>>>>>>> on the basis of its meaning expressed in language.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So in other words, "semantic tautology" is just another term for   
   >>>>>>>> "definition".   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> A definition gives a new word for something.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> A semantic tautology is a verbose expression that may take some   
   >>>>>>> effort   
   >>>>>>> to understand but once understood is onderstood to say nothing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> A semantic tautology might be considered the   
   >>>>>> complete definition of a a word by providing   
   >>>>>> the complete definition of every word in this   
   >>>>>> definition recursively all the way down until   
   >>>>>> every one of these words is completely defined.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> A semantic tautology needn't define any words and usually doesn't.   
   >>>   
   >>>> [semantic tautology] is my term thus giving me absolute   
   >>>> authority over its meaning.   
   >>>   
   >>> No, you have not. The word "tautology" already has a meaning. Therefore   
   >>> you are restricted to subtypes of taotology.   
   >>>   
   >>>> I stipulate that it derives   
   >>>> all of its meaning from the base meaning of its constituents   
   >>>> composed together.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is teh exac meaning when I used the expression above and below.   
   >>   
   >> No one ever understands that my mathematical formal   
   >> system includes the entire body of human general   
   >> knowledge encoded in formalized English.   
   >   
   > Maybe because it is well understood that no formal system that can   
   > be presented includes the entire body of human general knowledge.   
   >   
      
   A false assumption is not at all the same thing as   
   comprehension. People memorize all of the steps of   
   a proof and construe that the fact that a correct   
   refutation has not been presented in a long time   
   as proof that the proof is correct.   
      
   I knew that credibility is a fake measure of truth   
   all the way back when I was 16.   
      
   --   
   Copyright 2025 Olcott

              My 28 year goal has been to make
       "true on the basis of meaning" computable.

              This required establishing a new foundation
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