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   Message 262,055 of 262,912   
   olcott to Richard Damon   
   Re: The primary first principle of all T   
   20 Dec 25 18:03:37   
   
   XPost: comp.theory, sci.math   
   From: polcott333@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/20/2025 6:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   > On 12/20/25 6:47 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >> On 12/20/2025 5:34 PM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>> On 12/20/25 6:28 PM, olcott wrote:   
   >>>> On 12/20/2025 7:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/20/25 8:01 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 19/12/2025 23:01, olcott wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Deciders: Transform finite strings by finite string   
   >>>>>>> transformation rules into {Accept, Reject}.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I continue to Reject your asymmetric and functionally-loaded   
   >>>>>> labels for   
   >>>>>> the classes.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is just one of the few accurate quotations Olcott makes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It was not a quotation. I had to piece that together   
   >>>> myself from numerous sources. It took me 22 years to   
   >>>> do this.   
   >>>   
   >>> Gee, that should be something you could have found in just a few   
   >>> minutes of searching. It is basic material in Computation Theory in   
   >>> the introductory material on Deciders.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> They never ever phrase it exactly that way.   
   >> Look for yourself.   
   >   
   >   
   > Really? With a very quick search I get to:   
   >   
   > https://sites.radford.edu/~nokie/classes/420/Chap3-Langs.html   
   >   
   > Which begins:   
   >   
   > Question: If a TM is given a string, what can happen to the computation?   
   >   
   > Answer: The machine can either   
   > 1. Accept the string (ie enter the Accept state and halt the computation)   
   >   
   > 2. Reject the string (ie enter the Reject state and halt the computation)   
   >   
   > 3. Enter an Infinite Loop (ie the computation never ends)   
   >   
   > Thus introducing the idea that machines can accept or reject the input.   
   >   
   >   
      
   Where on Earth can you find that this must be   
   anchored in finite string transformation rules?   
      
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