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   olcott to Richard Damon   
   Re: Turing-machine deciders a precise de   
   24 Dec 25 09:22:16   
   
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   >>>>>>>>>> (b) Semantic property: a property of the sequence of   
   >>>>>>>>>> computational steps explicitly encoded by the input   
   >>>>>>>>>> string, i.e., the behavior that the input itself   
   >>>>>>>>>> specifies when interpreted as a machine description.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The decider outputs Accept if the corresponding property   
   >>>>>>>>>> holds for the input and Reject otherwise.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> So, it seems you can't point out where I aaid something wrong,   
   >>>>>>>>> just repeated the statement which I showed you what it means.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Maybe formal correctness is too overwhelming.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes, it seems to have overwhelmed you.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You didn't respond to my explanation, so I guess you are just   
   >>>>>>> admitting that you removed my CORRECT description and agree to it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> (1) Turing machine deciders: Transform finite string   
   >>>>>>>> inputs by finite string transformation rules into   
   >>>>>>>> {Accept, Reject} values.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> (2) Any required value that cannot be derived by applying   
   >>>>>>>> finite string transformation rules to finite string inputs   
   >>>>>>>> is outside of the scope of computation.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And since the halting behavior of the encoded P was derived by   
   >>>>>>> such a transformation, it was correct and you ADMIT you have LIED.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Transform finite string   
   >>>>>> inputs   
   >>>>>> inputs   
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   >>>>>> inputs   
   >>>>>> inputs   
   >>>>>> inputs   
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   >>>>>> inputs   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> by finite string transformation rules into   
   >>>>>> {Accept, Reject} values.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Right, which I showed, but apparently due to your ignorance, you   
   >>>>> can't understand.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> P simulated by H derives recursive simulation   
   >>>   
   >>> But only finitely, for this H, then it halts.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> (1) Turing machine deciders: Transform finite string   
   >> inputs by finite string transformation rules into   
   >> {Accept, Reject} values   
   >>   
   >> P simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own   
   >> final halt state Dumbo.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Which isn't the question being asked, showing your stupidity.   
   >   
      
   It never has been my stupidity my IQ is very high.   
   It has always your inability to pay 100% complete   
   attention to every subtle nuance of meaning of every   
   single word.   
      
   I don't know how attention deficit disorder works.   
   I have the opposite hyper focus super power.   
      
   I would estimate (possibly incorrectly) The ADD   
   could be circumvented in isolated cases by reading   
   the same words over-and-over many times.   
      
   My first principles are not yet completely perfected.   
      
   --   
   Copyright 2025 Olcott

              My 28 year goal has been to make
       "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
       reliably computable.

              This required establishing a new foundation
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