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|    Paul.B.Andersen to All    |
|    Re: A House of Dynamite (2025)    |
|    30 Oct 25 22:31:05    |
      XPost: rec.arts.tv, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh       From: relativity@paulba.no              Den 30.10.2025 22:09, skrev Maciej Woźniak:       > On 10/30/2025 10:01 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:       >> Den 29.10.2025 05:09, skrev The Starmaker:       >>>       >>> Michelson’s analysis of errors in his 1881/87       >>> experiments of the two swimmers contest;       >>       >> You obviously meant Reinhard A. Schumacher's analysis of errors in       >> Michelson's 1887 MMX experiment.       >>       >> Michelson never made an experiment with two swimmers.       >>       >>>       >>> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/2197/1/012012/pdf       >>       >> The idea of using two swimmers to analyse the MMX is quite stupid.       >>       >> Schumacher claims that he with this analogy can prove that       >> if light were a wave in the ether as assumed by Michelson,       >> then a Michelson interferometer would not be able to measure       >> the speed of the ether relative to the interferometer.       >>       >> This is a ridiculous claim, and I will not bother to explain why.       >>       >> However, Schumacher is correct when he claims that there is       >> an error in Michelson's derivations, so let's go through them.       >>       >> (I am sure that this error is well known.)       >>       >> https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1887.pdf       >>       >> In the following is "c" the speed of light relative to the ether,       >> and "v" is the speed of the ether relative to the interferometer.       >> "D" is length of the interferometer arms.       >>       >> Analysis of the interferometer arm which is parallel to       >> the velocity of the ether:       >> =======================================================       >>       >> In the rest frame of the interferometer, the speed of the light       >> going with the speed of the ether is (c+v) while the speed       >> of the light going in the opposite direction is (c-v).       >>       >> So the time for the light to go forth and back the arm is:       >> t₁ = D/(c+v) + D/(c+v) = 2D⋅c/(c²−v²)       >> The distance the light have travelled through the ether is:       >> D₁ = t₁⋅c = 2D/(1-v²/c²) ≈ 2D⋅(1+v²/c²) (v/c << 1)       >>       >> This is in accordance with Michelson's calculation.       >>       >> Analysis of the interferometer arm which is transverse to       >> the velocity of the ether:       >> =======================================================       >>       >> The correct calculation:       >> -----------------------       >> .       >> / \       >> /θ|θ\       >> / | \       >> ct/ | \ct       >> / |D \       >> / | \       >> /______| _____\       >> vt vt       >>       >> (vt)² + D² = (ct)² => t = D/√(c²−v²)       >>       >> So the time for the light to go forth and back the arm is:       >> t₂ = 2D/√(c²−v²)       >> The distance the light has travelled through the ether is:       >> D₂ = t₂⋅c = 2D/√(1−v²/c²) ≈ 2D/(1-v²/2c²) ≈       2D⋅(1+v²/2c²)       >>       >> Note: sin θ = v/c       >>       >> Michelson's calculation:       >> ------------------------       >> .       >> / \       >> /θ|θ\       >> / | \       >> D'/ | \D'       >> / |D \       >> / | \       >> /______| _____\       >> vt vt       >>       >> Michelson (wrongly) consider it as evident that       >> the angle θ is the classical aberration.       >> (Aberration according to the Galilean transform.)       >> That is, tan θ = v/c       >>       >> So vt/D = v/c => vt = D⋅v/c       >>       >> D'² = D² + (vt)² = D² + D²⋅v²/c² = D²(1+v²/c²)       >> D' = D⋅√(1+v²/c²)       >>       >> The distance the light has travelled through the ether is:       >> D₂ = 2D' = 2D⋅√(1+v²/c²) ≈ 2D⋅(1+v²/2c²)       >>       >> Note that this approximation of the wrong D₂ is equal       >> to the approximation of the correct D₂.       >>       >> So Michelson's calculation that (D₁-D₂) ≈ D⋅v²/c²       >> remains correct.       >>       >> Michelson's error has no consequence for the validity of the MMX.       >       > But in the meantime in the real world - forbidden       > by your insane church improper clocks keep measuring       > improper t'=t in improper seconds.       >              It is evident from your very wise response that you       have read and have understood my post.              So you can actually read!              Well done!              --       Paul              https://paulba.no/              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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