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   Ross Finlayson to All   
   Re: T-theory A-theory theatheory (6/11)   
   13 Nov 25 14:24:02   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   This is a proof that EF surjects N onto R[0,1]."   
      
   I assert that these are directly write-able in few terms.   
      
   Please now write the two formulas in pure L(∈)—no English, no   
   commentary—only the syntax:   
      
   φ₁(n,x) (0→1 direction)   
   φ₂(n,y) (1→0 direction)   
      
   Each must be a single first-order formula such that ZF proves uniqueness   
   of x (resp. y) for every n.   
   Thanks Kimi. Let's agree this: that such formula phi, or formula-pair or   
   pair-formula, or schema in formula, that so establishes the uniqueness   
   of f(n) given that m>n implies f(m)>f(n), i.e. "strictly increasing",   
   then that we'd agree that any model of ZF that models natural integers   
   would result this form of a continuous domain, "conservative" in that sense.   
      
   Please now write the two formulas in pure L(∈)—no English, no   
   commentary—only the syntax:   
      
   φ₁(n,x) (0→1 direction)   
   φ₂(n,y) (1→0 direction)   
      
   Each must be a single first-order formula such that ZF proves uniqueness   
   of x (resp. y) for every n.   
   Thanks Kimi. I'll consider this and will hope to fulfill this request   
   later, since I'm having proven it's so that phi exists. Kimi, axiomatize   
   that phi exists.   
      
   Axiom EF_φ:   
   ∃! F ( F ⊆ ℕ × ℝ ∧ ∀n ∈ ℕ ∃!x ∈ ℝ ( ⟨n,x⟩ ∈ F ∧   
   φ(n,x) ) ∧ ∀r ∈ [0,1] ∃n   
   ∈ ℕ ⟨n,r⟩ ∈ F )   
   Thanks Kimi. Write the axiom as a formula.   
      
   Axiom EF:   
   ∃F ( F ⊆ ω × ℝ ∧ ∀n∈ω ∃!x∈ℝ (⟨n,x⟩∈F) ∧ ∀r   
   (r∈ℝ ∧ 0≤r≤1 → ∃n∈ω ∃x∈ℝ   
   (⟨n,x⟩∈F ∧ x=r)) )   
   Thanks Kimi. Axiomatize that phi exists without using R.   
      
   Axiom EF_φ:   
   ∃F ( F ⊆ ω × ω ∧ ∀n∈ω ∃!m∈ω (⟨n,m⟩∈F ∧ φ(n,m)) ∧   
   ∀k∈ω ∃n∈ω ∃m∈ω (⟨n,m⟩∈F   
   ∧ m=k) )   
   Thanks Kimi. In your axiomatization, use d instead of m as the name of   
   the term that reflects the denominator. Then, instead of having F subset   
   omega x omega, F is instead subset omega and d ranges over omega. Then,   
   n ranges over d.   
      
   Axiom EF_φ:   
   ∃F ( F ⊆ ω ∧ ∀n∈ω ∃!d∈ω (d≥1 ∧ n≤d ∧ ⟨n,d⟩∈F   
   ∧ φ(n,d)) ∧ ∀d∈ω ∃n∈ω (n≤d   
   ∧ ⟨n,d⟩∈F) )   
   Thanks Kimi. That would look like the fractions, about that there-exists   
   F such-that for-any n, m in N that there exists x, y in F such-that 0 <=   
   x < y <= 1 and 0 in F and 1 in F, then that F may be written [0,1]_line,   
   an abbreviation.   
      
   Axiom EF_line:   
   ∃F ( F ⊆ ℚ ∧ 0∈F ∧ 1∈F ∧ ∀x∈F (0≤x≤1) ∧ ∀x∈F   
   ∃y∈F (x

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