XPost: sci.math   
   From: PointedEars@web.de   
      
   Samsath Németh wrote:   
   > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:   
   >> Scot Deyanov wrote:   
   >>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:   
   >>>> A manipulated clock is not a clock.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When we say that time is what is measured with a clock we mean a   
   >>>> device that is not manipulated, that merely follows Nature.   
   >>>   
   >>> no shit sherlock, once that manipulation is done, that clock is a   
   >>> clock like everybody clock   
   >>   
   >> Which part of "_not_ manipulated" did you not understand?   
   >   
   > ohh really, show me a clock not manipulated, even its start is   
   > manipulation. Thereafter, those are starts too.   
      
   What is meant here, of course, is that the device is not manipulated *while   
   it is operating*.  So that the difference between the initial time and the   
   final time is equal to the elapsed proper time.   
      
   *facepalm*   
      
   > Use your brain, then talk, me friend.   
      
   I realize now that I have been feeding a brain-dead 'nym-shifting troll.   
      
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