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|    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn to Paul B. Andersen    |
|    Re: Time is what clocks indicate    |
|    27 Nov 25 22:12:04    |
      From: PointedEars@web.de              Paul B. Andersen wrote:       > Den 26.11.2025 12:52, skrev J. J. Lodder:       >> Summary: The GPS sat clocks are steered such that they are synchronous       >> with the GPS master clocks at USNOP.       >> (applying the appropriate corrections, Doppler and relativity)       >       > There is no correction for the Doppler shift due to the velocity       > of the SVs relative to the receiver.       > The gravitational Doppler shift is included in the (1-4.4647e-10)       > rate correction of the SV clock.              Gravitational redshift is NOT a Doppler shift (it arises from spacetime       curvature, not relative motion¹), but my professor in General Relativity has       confirmed to me that the interpretation of gravitational redshift as       successive relativistic Doppler shifts within a infinite family of observers       moving relative to each other due to different gravitational acceleration       (as explained by Veritasium) is valid. (Still I think that it is an       unnecessarily complicated interpretation of the phenomenon.)              [By contrast, *cosmological* redshift cannot be properly understood as a       relativistic Doppler shift; cf. Davis & Lineweaver, "Expanding Confusion",       2003.]              ___       ¹ For the Schwarzschild metric in Schwarzschild coordinates, with sign        convention (−+++) and in natural units,               ds² = −dτ²        = −(1 − 2m/r) dt² + (1 − 2m/r)⁻¹ dr² + r² dΩ²        ≡ −A(r) dt² + A(r)⁻¹ dr² + r² dΩ²,               m ≡ G M/c²,        dΩ² ≡ dθ² + sin²(θ) dφ²,               for a stationary observer (dr² = dΩ² = 0) we have               dτ = dt √[A(r)].               For two observers at the radial coordinates r₁ and r₂, r₂ > r₁,        we have (trivially)               dτ₁ = dt √[A(r₁)]        dτ₂ = dt √[A(r₂)],               therefore               dτ₂/dτ₁ ~ f₁/f₂ = c λ₂/(c λ₁) = λ₂/λ₁,               where f₁ and λ₁ are the frequency and wavelength of the EM radiation        emitted by the observer at r₁, and f₂ and λ₂ are the frequency and        wavelength of the same radiation as received and observed by        the observer at r₂.               ==> λ₂ ~ λ₁ dτ₂/dτ₁        ~ λ₁ √[A(r₂)/A(r₁)]        ~ λ₁ √[(1 − 2m/r₂)/(1 − 2m/r₁)]        > λ₁. ∎               [r₂ > r₁ ⇔ 2m/r₂ < 2m/r₁        ⇔ 1 − 2m/r₂ > 1 − 2m/r₁        ⇔ (1 − 2m/r₂)/(1 − 2m/r₁) > 1.]              --       PointedEars              Twitter: @PointedEars2       Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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