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|    Paul B. Andersen to All    |
|    Re: Gravitational redshift/blueshift (3/    |
|    03 Dec 25 23:25:57    |
      [continued from previous message]              Is it really necessary?              sqrt(1 - x) ~ (1 - x/2) when x << 1              The approximation gets worse the higher x is.       In (4) and (5) the highest value x can have is when       r is smallest, which is the radius of the Earth.              So just compare (4) and (5) with r = Earth's radius              >       >>> "It is the Schwarzschild coordinate time that is fast, and its       seconds       >>> are shorter than the SI-second."       >>>       >>> I do not subscribe to your interpretation, and I find it misleading.       >>> It is better to state that more or less proper time, measured in       >>> the same (SI) seconds, elapse, than to say that seconds differ, that       >>> time would be running fast or slow.       >>       >> I am sure you know that the rate of Schwarzschild coordinate time       >> is equal to the rate of a clock at infinity, and is faster closer       >> to the gravitating mass.              Same with UTC. The rate of UTC is faster further down.       The rate is equal to a proper clock at the ground,       and slower than a proper clock higher up.                     >       > AISB, I do not subscribe to the idea and interpretation of the "rate of a       > clock". IMHO, the effect should be argued in terms of potentially different       > elapsed proper times along different worldlines instead.              Exactly.       Consider the circular word line of a GPS satellite.       What would a clock in the satellite measure the proper time       of an orbit to be?       And what would the same orbit be measured by UTC ?       We know the answers.       The orbital time of the GPS satellite is half a sidereal day       measured in UTC, that's 86164.0905/2 UTC seconds       measured along the world line of the satellite.       Measured by a clock in the satellite the proper time       is (86164.0905/2)(1 + 4.4647e-10) proper seconds.              So measured along the world line, the UTC second is longer       than a proper second, and the rate o UTC is slower than       the rate of a proper clock.       >       > Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum next time.       >                     --       Paul              https://paulba.no/              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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