XPost: comp.lang.misc, sci.physics   
   From: ttt_heg@web.de   
      
   Am Donnerstag000004, 04.12.2025 um 09:57 schrieb Janis Papanagnou:   
     >>>   
   >>>>>>   > No, they don't, they just add one (or some)   
   >>>>>>   > more layer on top of it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Techically they are not von Neuman architecture.   
   >>>>>> Unified Memory with Multiple Tensor Cores is   
   >>>>>> not von Neuman architecture.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> We can use von Neumann architecture   
   >>>>> to emulate other architectures, but as long as it   
   >>>>> is performed by our computers it is technically   
   >>>>> von Neumann's.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Did you know, that 'von Neuman architecture'   
   >>>   
   >>> It really is spelled _von Neumann_, named after the Hungarian-American   
   >>> polymath John von Neumann.  He was born (as Neumann János Lajos) into a   
   >>> non-observant Jewish family, and raised, in Budapest, then in the   
   >>> Empire of   
   >>> Austria-Hungary.  His family name may be of German origin.   
   >>>   
   >>>    
   >>>   
   >>>> was actually invented and patented by Konrad Zuse in Germany in the   
   >>>> early   
   >>>> 1930th?   
   >>>   
   >>> NOT true.  Von Neumann's architecture "was based on the work of J.   
   >>> Presper   
   >>> Eckert and John Mauchly, inventors of ENIAC and its successor, EDVAC."   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3   
   >>   
   >> Didn't you know, that 1937 was much earlier than the Eniac in 1945?   
   >   
   > That's the date of the Z1, isn't it? - The Z3 came later, 1941.   
      
      
   Sure, but the first computer using 'von Neumann architecture' was   
   actually the Z1 of 1937.   
      
   https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von-Neumann-Architektur   
   quote   
      
   "   
   Viele Ideen der Von-Neumann-Architektur waren schon 1936 von Konrad Zuse   
   ausgearbeitet, in zwei Patentschriften 1937 dokumentiert und   
   größtenteils bereits 1938 in der Z1-Maschine mechanisch realisiert   
   worden. 1941 baute Konrad Zuse in Zusammenarbeit mit Helmut Schreyer mit   
   der Zuse Z3 den ersten funktionsfähigen Digitalrechner der Welt. Es gilt   
   aber als unwahrscheinlich, dass von Neumann die Arbeiten Zuses kannte,   
   als er 1945 seine Architektur vorstellte. "   
      
   translated by google   
   "Many ideas of von Neumann's architecture had already been developed by   
   Konrad Zuse in 1936, documented in two patents in 1937, and largely   
   implemented mechanically in the Z1 machine by 1938. In 1941, Konrad   
   Zuse, in collaboration with Helmut Schreyer, built the Zuse Z3, the   
   world's first functional digital computer. However, it is considered   
   unlikely that von Neumann was aware of Zuse's work when he presented his   
   architecture in 1945."   
      
   BUT: nobody gives a shit, whether or not someone knows about proir   
   rights (or not).   
      
   It is patently irrelevant, whether von Neumann knew the patents of Zuse   
   (or not).   
      
   Therefore the patents of Zuse were simply stolen and also the invention   
   itself ascribed to somebody else   
      
      
   > While concepts of modern computers where already exiting in Z1   
   > the first reliably running computer system was the Z3, AFAIK.   
   > Yes, before the ENIAC. And the plans for the Z3 were of course   
   > designed before their initial operation in 1941, and based on   
   > concepts also of its predecessors.   
   >   
   > But yes, history was widely misrepresented and ignoring those!   
   > This is an effect you can observe also in other technical areas.   
   >   
      
   But theft is still theft, even if it is for the sake of national pride.   
      
   ...   
      
   TH   
      
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