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   Stefan Ram to Paul.B.Andersen   
   Mass and Energy   
   02 Jan 26 14:28:52   
   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   "Paul.B.Andersen"  wrote or quoted:   
   :1n + U-235 → Ba-141 + Kr-92 + 3n   
   . . .   
   :Are you claiming that the mass 3.916659E-25 kg   
   :is not converted to 2.78E-11 J kinetic energy?   
      
     When you start in the rest system of "1n + U-235",   
     its momentum is p=0. As the momentum is conserved,   
     the momentum of "Ba-141 + Kr-92 + 3n" then also is   
     p=0, so its kinetic Energy still is zero.   
      
     Only when you change the definition of what your   
     system is, you get kinetic energy. For example,   
     when you look at only one of the "3n", it has   
     kinetic energy.   
      
     For another example: On my table, a cup is resting.   
     In my room, it has the momentum of /zero/. The cup   
     contains gluons. When I look at one of those gluons   
     in isolation, its momentum is non-zero. This energy   
     is part of the mass of the cup. So, I have converted   
     mass into kinetic energy by observing a different   
     system: What appears as kinetic energy of the gluon   
     appears as mass of the cup.   
      
   >The point is that the fission was not discovered because   
   >someone thought that since E = mc², it must be possible   
   >to release energy by splitting atom.   
      
     We see kinetic energy because we get the products,   
     like "3n" is isolation. So, effectively, there is   
     kinetic energy, because it is apt in this case to   
     look at only one of the products in isolation.   
      
     However, the kinetic energy depends on the definition   
     of the observed system, as I explained.   
      
   >So why did you say that it is a common misconception that:   
   >"The atomic bomb proved in a very convincing way   
   >  that mass could be converted to energy as predicted by   
   >  Einstein's E = mc²?   
      
     (I think I already answered this in my previous post.)   
      
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