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|    Thomas Heger to All    |
|    Re: Hidden dimensions could explain wher    |
|    06 Jan 26 09:22:32    |
      From: ttt_heg@web.de              Am Montag000005, 05.01.2026 um 16:59 schrieb Ross Finlayson:       > On 01/05/2026 01:47 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:       >> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:       >>> Every dimension has time,       >>       >> Scientifically that statement does not make sense. You appear to be       >> referring to a definition of "dimension" that is used in science-fiction       >> and fantasy instead.       >>       >> In mathematics, a dimension is basically an additional degree of       >> freedom for       >> choosing a coordinate in a space. In a different meaning, /the/       >> dimension       >> of a vector space is the magnitude of its basis, the minimum number of       >> basis       >> vectors to represent an element (vector) of that space; since basis       >> vectors       >> have to be linearly independent, when they are written in components as       >> column vectors, this is equal to the number of components per vector.       >> For       >> example, for 3-dimensional Euclidean space R^3 (by "R" I mean the set of       >> real numbers; see below) one defines vectors of the form       >>       >> (x)       >> (x, y, z)^T = (y),       >> (z)       >>       >> where x, y, and z are coordinates, and the standard basis vectors       >>       >> (1)        (0) (0)       >> e_x := e_1 := (0), e_y := e_2 := (1), e_z := e_3 := (0).       >> (0)        (0) (1)       >>       >> These are linearly independent (the proof is an undergraduate mathematics       >> exercise), and suffice to represent, by a linear combination of them,       >> every       >> vector in R^3; thus this set defines /a/ basis of R^3 (a vector space has       >> potentially infinitely many different bases related by linear       >> transformations; thus for every vector there is potentially an infinite       >> number of representations, depending on the choice of basis -- notably,       >> basis vector can, but do not have to be, unit vectors).       >>       >> [In physics, the term "dimension" also has another meaning with regard       >> to physical quantities: apparently every physical quantity can be       >> expressed as a product of integer powers of quantities of the types,       >> called *dimensions*, length, time, and mass. For example, when we       >> say that a quantity has (the) dimensions of a force, we mean that it       >> can be written in terms of other quantities:       >>       >> [[force]] = [[mass]] * [[acceleration]]       >> = [[mass]] * [[length]]/[[time]]^2.       >> ]       >>       >>> therefore time is _not_ a "special dimension"?       >>       >> It *is*, and it is special at least in that its sign in a spacetime       >> metric       >> is the opposite of that of spatial dimensions. For example, the       >> Minkowski       >> metric can be written with in Euclidean spatial coordinates       >>       >> ds^2 = -c^2 dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2.       >>       >> The peculiar (here: negative) sign for the temporal component of the       >> metric       >> can be understood (and in fact the Minkowski metric can be nicely       >> derived)       >> by considering two different ways to measure the straight-line spatial       >> distance that a signal travels at a constant speed c:       >>       >> c^2 (∆t)^2 = (∆x)^2 + (∆y)^2 + (∆z)^2,       >>       >> where the left-hand side (LHS) is the square of the distance given by the       >> time ∆t that it takes the signal to travel the distance, and the       >> right-hand       >> side (RHS) is the square of the Euclidean distance as given by the       >> coordinates between the start point and the end point (the 3-dimensional       >> version of the Pythagorean theorem). Then subtracting the LHS gives       >>       >> 0 = -c^2 (∆t)^2 + (∆x)^2 + (∆y)^2 + (∆z)^2,       >>       >> providing a *metric* for the separation of events: If the value RHS is       >> equal       >> to 0, then two events can be connected by a (light) signal, and the       >> spacetime interval between them, their separation, is called       >> *lightlike*; if       >> it is negative, the two events can be connected by constant motion at a       >> speed less than c, a *timelike* interval; and if it is positive, the       >> motion       >> would have to be faster than c which we assume is impossible, so the       >> events       >> cannot be causally connected, and the interval is called *spacelike*.       >>       >> For infinitesimally-separated events, one writes differentials instead of       >> differences and drops the parentheses; so for lightlike-separated events,       >> those on a lightlike worldline that is described by light in vacuum,       >>       >> ds^2 = 0 = -c^2 dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2,       >>       >> and in general the infinitesimal spacetime interval in a flat       >> (1+3)-dimensional spacetime called *Minkowski space* is given by the       >> *line       >> element*       >>       >> ds^2 = -c^2 dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2.       >>       >> Finally, you can see that instead of subtracting the LHS we could also       >> have       >> subtracted the RHS, leading to       >>       >> 0 = c^2 (∆t)^2 - (∆x)^2 - (∆y)^2 - (∆z)^2,       >>       >> and therefore to       >>       >> ds^2 = c^2 dt^2 - dx^2 - dy^2 - dz^2.       >>       >> Now for lightlike intervals we would still have ds^2 = 0, but timelike       >> intervals would have ds^2 > 0, and spacelike intervals would have ds^2       >> < 0.       >>       >> So there is a *sign convention* that can (and has to) be chosen for the       >> metric, but the temporal component must always have the opposite sign       >> of the       >> spatial ones (-+++, called "mostly plus"; or +---, called "mostly minus")       >> for the physics to make sense.       >>       >> [Unless one gets clever and defines the *Euclidean time*       >> x^4 := i x^0 = i c t. Then (dx^4)^2 = i^2 (dx^0)^2 = -c^2 dt^2, and       >> the metric becomes Euclidean (now it looks like a 4-dimensional       >> Pythagorean theorem; previously it, and the manifold it describes,       >> was called *pseudo-Euclidean*):       >>       >> ds^2 = (dx^4)^2 + (dx^1)^2 + (dx^2)^2 + (dx^3)^2.       >>       >> This coordinate transformation is called Wick rotation¹ and becomes       >> useful in quantum field theory. Stephen Hawking uses "imaginary       >> time"       >> in explanations in some of his popular-scientific books, even when       >> only       >> discussing general relativity, and I think he means Euclidean time       >> (but       >> IIRC he never explains it in terms of a Wick rotation).]       >>       >> Analogously to 3-dimensional Euclidean space, one defines *4-vectors*       >>       >> (c t, x, y, z)^T       >>       >> or in general       >>       >> (x^0, x^1, x^2, x^3)^T where x^0 = c t,       >>       >> or       >>       >> (x^4, x^1, x^2, x^3)^T where x^4 = i c t.       >>       >> For example, to describe spherically-symmetric situations, it is more       >> convenient to use spherical coordinates: (c t, r, θ, φ)^T. Such is the       >> case, for example, with the Schwarzschild and the FLRW metric. [For              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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